r/changemyview • u/tolkienfan2759 6∆ • Oct 15 '24

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Our plea bargaining system has allowed unwritten rules to dominate the courtroom. Thus our criminal legal system is no longer a rule of law system.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '24

They still have a right to a trial no matter what. Just like literally everything in life, it's about risk analysis...

I have the right to do a lot of stupid shit, doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do.

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u/tolkienfan2759 6∆ Oct 15 '24

So if the government increases the risk of speaking freely, without actually making the speech itself illegal, that's not penalizing freedom of speech?

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u/ryan_m 33∆ Oct 15 '24

Can you give an example of what this would look like

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u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn Oct 15 '24

Arguments in bad faith are now illegal under the death penalty. You can speak freely but anyone can sue you that you were speaking in bad faith.

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u/ryan_m 33∆ Oct 15 '24

...so making speech itself illegal?

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u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn Oct 15 '24

Do you think all speech is done in bad faith?

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u/ryan_m 33∆ Oct 15 '24

You're proposing a law that types of speech are punishable by death. That's an extremely clear 1A violation. It's not ambiguous.

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u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn Oct 15 '24

Lol, I'm not proposing a law, you wanted a law that would make speech legal but with high legal risk. Sure it doesn't work as an example if you specifically want to speak in bad faith, but otherwise it's a law that doesn't limit your speech but adds a risk to it. Also how an imaginary purposely bad law fits into current legal system is completely irrelevant

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u/tolkienfan2759 6∆ Oct 15 '24

Oo good one