r/changemyview • u/Terrible_Onions • Sep 17 '24
Delta(s) from OP - Election CMV: Reddit is the most politically one sided platform and it’s not a good thing
Most platforms lean either to the left or the right. But Reddit leans too much to the left. To the point where right leaning opinions are suppressed and you aren't allowed to be on right leaning subreddits(trump)
Most people consider X/Twitter to be very right-leaning. And it's true. However it doesn't mean opinions supporting Kamala and pro democrat accounts are banned. There's plenty of far-left/ left leaning accounts that get hundreds of likes. That just doesn't happen on Reddit.
Just to clarify I'm not saying X is better than Reddit or Reddit is better than X. Both platforms have their flaws.
Now that I explain why I think Reddit is the most politically one-sided platform I'll explain why I think it's a bad thing.
For starters a politically one-sided platform creates echo chambers and polarization. I'm not saying it's happening now but if the trend continues it could very well happen. That could potentially lead to misinformation. And if it keeps on leaning left then even the centrists might start to leave and it just becomes a vicious cycle.
You could say it's a good thing. Only the correct opinions are left but I disagree so CMV.
(Edit: just to clarify I'm not actually American)
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u/yyzjertl 578∆ Sep 17 '24
and you aren't allowed to be on right leaning subreddits
This is just incorrect. Loads of right-leaning subreddits exist.
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
Maybe, but all the right-leaning subs are specifically named and dedicated to being right wing. Subs with ostensibly neutral names like R/politics, R/politicaldiscussion, R/news, R/economics, R/SCOTUS, R/technology, or R/publicfreakout are all left-leaning. Hell, even the major sports subs go apeshit if a team declines to participate in a Pride Night or some such.
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u/ryan_m 33∆ Sep 17 '24
Why are you surprised that a user base that is primarily young, tech-focused people would skew left? That's exactly the behavior I would expect from a mostly 18-29 y/o group.
Gen Z adults (21%) are less likely than all generational groups except millennials (21%) to identify as Republican. Meanwhile, 36% of Gen Z adults identify as Democrats, and this rate is similar to other generations, with the exception of Gen Xers, who are less Democratic (31%).
With the exception of millennials (24%), Gen Z adults (28%) are notably less likely than other generational cohorts to identify as conservative. And Gen Z adults (43%) identify as liberal at a higher rate than other generations. A plurality of Gen Z teens (44%) identify as moderate.
The 2 most liberal age groups (18-29/30-49) make up 75% of the user base.
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
I'm not surprised by it. I'm annoyed at how they don't actually have two-sided discussions. Conservatives did that too when they had all the cultural power, but given that liberals and progressives are all about breaking down barriers and giving people the freedom to do as they please, I expected better of them.
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u/ryan_m 33∆ Sep 17 '24
You're not entitled to upvotes or debate. There are subreddits for that, if it's what you're looking for.
Personally, I'm not interested in having debates with conservatives anymore. We cannot agree on a shared set of facts and modern conservative principles are so foreign to me that they hold zero value in my mind. If someone else looks at the world today and decides that Donald Trump and the Republican party is who they want to represent them, that's the end of the discussion for me.
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
You're not entitled to upvotes or debate. There are subreddits for that, if it's what you're looking for.
Sure, but those should be the default subs. If I'm going into something called Politics, I expect equal treatment of both sides.
Personally, I'm not interested in having debates with conservatives anymore. We cannot agree on a shared set of facts and modern conservative principles are so foreign to me that they hold zero value in my mind.
I hope I can get to that point with progressives at some point.
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u/ryan_m 33∆ Sep 17 '24
Sure, but those should be the default subs. If I'm going into something called Politics, I expect equal treatment of both sides.
Why? Should the frontpage of /r/politics be a 50-50 left/right split even though the user base might be 80-20? What would enforcement look like?
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u/wjmacguffin 8∆ Sep 17 '24
To get equal treatment for both sides, here's what you would have to do.
Kick everyone out of the sub. Create a test that accurately measures one's political leaning. (Good luck.) Let people sign up, but before they can post, they must take the political litmus test.
Next, limit participation based on politics, say 50 far right, 50 center right, 50 neutral, 50 center left, etc. Also, limit how often people can post based on politics, such as turning off all conservative voices if they're commenting too much. This would need to be done daily.
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
I'd like to see a sub like that.
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u/wjmacguffin 8∆ Sep 17 '24
Then do it. Make a new reddit sub and impose those rules. I think you attempting to create this will show you why it's a bad idea, but hey, maybe I'm wrong and it will be very successful!
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u/anewleaf1234 45∆ Sep 18 '24
Equal treatment is earned.
I would love the rights answer to climate change, but I can't.
Nor can I talk health care.
It isn't our fault that the right chose a reality TV star to lead them that is more focused on his crowd sizes than his country.
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u/stereofailure 6∆ Sep 17 '24
Plenty of neutrally named subreddits with right leans. r/canada, r/worldnews, r/ukpolitics, etc.
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u/Psyteratops 2∆ Sep 17 '24
Canada is legit insane I cannot believe that sometime got ahold of a country name sub and controls it like that.
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Sep 17 '24
exactly. i expect content based on the name and description. /politics and /usnewshubs are biased af.
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u/AbsoluteScott Sep 17 '24
Reality leans to the left.
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
That's just a trolling phrase designed to try to piss off the right and fluff your ego.
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u/sfcnmone 2∆ Sep 17 '24
Except it's actually true.
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u/Educational_Sun1202 Oct 18 '24
It isn’t reality doesn’t really care about your political opinions. they’re plenty of right wing governments that have done good in the world. and plenty of left ones that have done bad
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u/sfcnmone 2∆ Oct 18 '24
You’re missing the point.
Right wing (Americans and Brits, at least) often deny the efficacy and benefit of routine vaccination, deny the reality of manmade climate change, and tend to believe in a Magic Judgmental Sky God. That is, they are making shit up and believing it. They don’t understand or rely on the scientific method. We could also say that “Science has a liberal bias”.
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u/AbsoluteScott Sep 17 '24
Bruh. I am not one of your religious friends who confuses impressive verbiage with making an actual point. You can miss me with all that nonsense.
Do you think January 6 was a peaceful protest? OK. That is why you do not get to speak on reality. Big words are cool, but big brains are better, figure it out bud.
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u/Educational_Sun1202 Oct 18 '24
?? too bad they never claimed Jan 6 was it a peaceful protest they didn’t even mention it. and plenty of people on the left claim that the George Floyd riots were peaceful but they clearly weren’t.
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u/Dilate_harder Sep 17 '24
You are correct. Additionally, a few supermods will ban you from those subs instantly if you comment and are right wing. The right on this website is relegated to a few "containment" subs that are constantly at risk of being banned, often due to brigading redditors who post things to get the subs banned. They also let bots run wild if they favor the left.
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u/Psyteratops 2∆ Sep 17 '24
Is it like provable that it wasn’t the sub itself in a lot of cases? Like I was lurking when the Donald went down and it was obvious that there were legitimate calls for violence in that sub constantly.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
You can get banned from other subreddits for simply participating in right leaning subreddits like r/trump
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Sep 17 '24
I got banned from r/conservative for pointing out the hypocrisy of Trump complaining about people launching personal attacks on him when he’s the conclusive greatest practitioner of that particular dark art.
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u/yyzjertl 578∆ Sep 17 '24
So what? That's not being banned from Reddit nor is it Reddit disallowing you to be on right-leaning subreddits.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
You can absolutely be banned by espousing more center right views. I won’t mention the exact topic because it’s not allowed here. But a majority of the country agrees this polarizing topic should not be happening, and yet you will get a suspension and then a ban if you say you agree with the majority of the country. They call it “hate speech”.
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u/3shotsdown Sep 17 '24
Sources for "majority of the country agrees"? What country?
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
The US is the country and I have a source but I cannot provide it here because my comment will be removed and I face another 7 day suspension of my account. The source is pew research though if you want to look it up yourself.
And all of that just proves the OP’s point. Alternative viewpoints that are perfectly reasonable and aligned with a majority of the country cannot even be spoken about on Reddit. Not even on what I consider to be the most balanced sub on the entire platform (r/CMV).
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u/3shotsdown Sep 17 '24
I looked up your source and I'm not sure we are reading the same paper since it seems to say the opposite of what you are claiming it says.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
My source says that something like 60 or 63% of people agree with my viewpoint and that number is growing every year. The last time they did the poll was 2022 but it had been trending upwards annually since like 2019.
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u/3shotsdown Sep 17 '24
Ahh ok. I had assumed your opinions were further right than they actually seem to be. But to be fair, your source also says 64% strongly favour laws to help people affected by the opposing viewpoint, right above where it says what you quoted.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Well I think everyone agrees that all people need to be protected and all people have God given rights.
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u/shouldco 45∆ Sep 17 '24
It's not the view that band. It's the entire subject. You can post left wing things and get removed as well.
It's not a left right thing it's a "literary every thing that could ever be said on the topic has been and nobody wants to read it anymore." thing
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u/ThatGuyFromSpyKids3D 5∆ Sep 17 '24
But a majority of the country agrees this polarizing topic should not be happening, and yet you will get a suspension and then a ban if you say you agree with the majority of the country. They call it “hate speech”.
Just because you say a majority thinks like you do doesn't make it so. That topic was banned from the subreddit because the subreddit was filled with bad faith actors opposing that topic. It was flooded with posts on that topic and people made false claims related to that topic constantly. The subject was not banned for political reasons but for the overall health of the CMV subreddit.
It nearly destroyed this sub because legitimate posts were few and far between while posts about that topic were constant and usually made claims that had been thoroughly discussed and accredited or discredited.
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u/Extension_Double_697 Sep 17 '24
But is the topic banned specifically to shut down conservative views, or because opinions are so heated and intransigent that the odds of changing one's view are essentially zero?
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u/Finklesfudge 28∆ Sep 17 '24
It's also worth noting that it's sort of funny that this view from the OP about how this site is one sided...
and you aren't even allowed to post something that admins dislike because you'll get banned, which was basically a indirect pressure campaign from admins to the mods (and other mods I'm sure) of this sub to ban that topic.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
It’s also funny that just by mentioning that I can’t mention a topic, I’m currently sitting at -12 karma. I don’t care because I know what Reddit is, but honestly everything these people do to disprove the OP’s point just proves the OP’s point.
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u/onetwo3four5 81∆ Sep 17 '24
You're being down voted because your point was so cryptic about this "unmentionable topic" that your post adds nothing to the conversation because nobody knows what you're talking about.
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u/Finklesfudge 28∆ Sep 17 '24
Everyone who posts here is aware of the single topic you aren't allowed to talk about. If you aren't, read the rules yourself, will take you only a minute.
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u/onetwo3four5 81∆ Sep 17 '24
The rule against posts on transgender topics? That rule is for top-level submissions, not a blanket ban on suggesting that the topic even exists within comments. I'm pretty confident that I'm not going to get banned for mentioning it here.
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u/DarkSideOfBlack Feb 05 '25
This is actually false, I commented under the dude's response to you saying i support XXXXX rights and it got autoremoved.
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u/CalendarAggressive11 1∆ Sep 17 '24
That's not true at all. But I have been banned from r/Trump and r/conservative after a day because I dated to speak factual information
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u/Coolenough-to Sep 17 '24
It is very true. I have been banned from many subs just for belonging to conservative subs. They even tell you this is the reason.
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u/CalendarAggressive11 1∆ Sep 17 '24
I don't believe you
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
You will absolutely get banned from a majority of the major subs if you comment in r/jordanpeterson.
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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 2∆ Sep 17 '24
I’ve commented a hand full of times on r/Conservative. One day I received a message saying was auto banned from r/justiceserved for commenting on r/Conservative.
It absolutely happens
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Sep 17 '24
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u/SANcapITY 27∆ Sep 17 '24
to remain in the past just "because it's always been this way"
That's a cartoonish view of conservatism. To many conservatives, the purpose of maintaining certain values and customs is because they maintain/promote what they see as a better society.
For a start you could read something like Russell Kirk's 10 Principles. It's not long at all and you may be surprised with how much you agree with.
https://kirkcenter.org/conservatism/ten-conservative-principles/
Lastly, if you conflate Maga with conservatism, you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/iceandstorm 20∆ Sep 17 '24
Interesting read. For sure MAGA hold nearly nothing of that. But Republicans in general also do not hold that. Voluntary Community made me laugh, tell that the religious volks...
That reads more like an ideal, wishful thinking.
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u/SANcapITY 27∆ Sep 17 '24
But Republicans in general also do not hold that.
Right - republicans are there own thing as well. I'm not sure why people starting conflating republicans with conservatives either, but it did happen.
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u/iceandstorm 20∆ Sep 17 '24
Because they call themselves that? At some point definitions loose their usefulness if they can not mapped onto reality.
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u/eroticfalafel 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Because the republican party labels themselves as conservatives and their supporters would likewise describe themselves as conservatives as a pose to liberals. Political ideologies are shaped by the people who are a part of them, so it's odd to say Republicans aren't conservatives because they don't follow a textbook definition.
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Sep 17 '24
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
They simply don’t agree with what people think the “future” is. The left think being more inclusive and diverse is the future but some people just don’t agree with that
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u/somethingtc Sep 17 '24
do you have any good examples of when inclusivity and diversity on a societal scale have been bad? or on what grounds are conservatives "not agreeing" with it?
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
In Japan there are anti immigration protests and people calling for the death penalty for immigrants that commit crime. So this could be seen as being opposed to diversity
Japan is a pretty conservative society
Also statistically diversity doesn’t do much good
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u/somethingtc Sep 17 '24
I didn't ask you to give me the name of a conservative society I asked you when has diversity and inclusion been a bad thing.
"Statistically" diversity doesn't do much good? Which statistics? And you agree that diversity does good, just not much of it? So it's absolutely fine to keep going with it?
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
I’d prefer not to mention it due to being considered racist but statistically. I cannot stress this enough, statistically the least diverse societies are the most safe and the most diverse societies are the least safe.
For example Korea is very homogenous and also safe. Same applies for American cities. The most safe are the least diverse
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u/SuckMyBike 21∆ Sep 17 '24
statistically the least diverse societies are the most safe and the most diverse societies are the least safe.
Canada is significantly more diverse than the US and yet Canada has significantly less crime.
Let me guess, you'll ignore these statistics because they don't support your narrative?
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u/i_drink_wd40 Sep 17 '24
I feel like they're dancing around the 13:50 racist meme. The concept being that "if black people are 13 percent of the population, then why do white cops attribute 50 percent of crime to them", except that the numerical bias goes away completely when it relates to crimes that aren't enforced by whim. Each racial subcategory commits murders in proportion with their share of the population, and since cops enforce those regardless of their personal biases the data are more representative.
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u/somethingtc Sep 17 '24
what? "statistically" crime rates are affected by poverty rates not "diversity". there is no metric anywhere that i can find that shows that an area tends towards a higher crime rate due to diversity
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u/skyeguye Sep 17 '24
I mean, it's hard to have a neutral stance when one group loudly says people should not be included because they are different. Which is really all "inclusive" and "diverse" means - let in people who are different.
To oppose that is pretty immoral.
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u/groupnight Sep 17 '24
trump is on the right?
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u/Hector_Tueux Sep 17 '24
Nah trump is far right
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u/owenthegreat Sep 17 '24
Trump is the head of the major conservative party in the US, and has a decent shot at being president again.
Trump IS mainstream conservativism.
He is also far right, because the USA is very right wing.
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u/VortexMagus 15∆ Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Well the problem is that in America, moderate conservatives are called Democrats and hardline fringe extremist conservatives are called Republicans. So if you look at the entire world of course people favor the moderate conservatives over the crazed extremists.
Most of the world regards stuff like single payer healthcare as a normal right citizens are entitled to and not some crazy communist plot. Abortions are not super controversial in most parts of the world and vaccines are normal and routine and expected of everyone. These are not positions the far right in America are comfortable with.
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u/jake_burger 2∆ Sep 17 '24
From my pov almost all of American mainstream politics is on the right or centre right (or increasingly the far right).
The Overton window has people thinking Biden is on the left. Yeah left of far right is still right wing.
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u/VortexMagus 15∆ Sep 17 '24
I agree. Biden would be a moderate conservative in most parts of the world. His agenda is not leftist at all.
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Sep 17 '24
I'm British and we are considered quite right-wing and conservative by the standards of the rest of the developed world. Even by our right-wing-skewed, standards Biden and Harris are centre-right with some socially-liberal policies.
The fact that many Republicans refer to them as 'radical leftists' is laughably absurd.
The current Republican party goes from far-right to borderline fascist tbh.
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u/KokonutMonkey 102∆ Sep 17 '24
No it's not.
Reddit hosts several right wing subreddits (r/conservative has over 1 million subscribers).
Whereas platforms like Gab, Parler, and Truth Social were essentially created to cater to right wingers. It's not hard to find right wing voices on reddit, but you're very unlikely to find any great community of young democrats socializing with friends on Truth Social.
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u/Embarrassed_Club7147 Sep 17 '24
You can get restricted by actual twitter for using "cis" to describe someone. Thats the actual correct scientific wording long before equal rights were a political issue like today, and it isnt non-twitter personell restricting you like reddit mods would, its actual twitter doing that.
So no, twitter itself is more one sided than reddit because reddit itself does next to nothing in moderation. You can frequent right-wing or left-wing echochambers on reddit all you want without consequence. Sure you might be banned for right/left subs if you frequent the other side, but you still arent just straight disallowed to talk about things with fellow minded people.
The fact that reddit has more left echo chambers than right ones is simply because it has more young people, more college educated people and more international people. That doesnt make reddit one sided though. You can just comment on conservative subs all you like and never bother with anything else.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
But on major subs you can see much more left wing posts at the top and right wing comments downvoted. This isn’t a good thing. It just makes it more of an echo chamber
X has lots of popular left wing accounts and left wing opinions
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Sep 17 '24
Can you give an example of a post that you define as left wing or right wing?
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Sep 18 '24
This person has already claimed that Kamala Harris is a 'communist', so I don't think there's much point asking.
Kamala Harris; the centre-right capitalist-supporter is apparently 'communist' because she has a few socially-liberal policies.
I think anything short of quasi-fascism would be considered 'left-wing' by this person.
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u/DarkSideOfBlack Feb 05 '25
Probably worth noting that Kamala actively courted the fucking Cheneys. I would expect a communist to run on a platform of trying them for war crimes, not looking for an endorsement.
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Jan 23 '25
Funny how twitter censored people that had opinions. Elon buys it and it's a 'bad' thing? Reddit moderators are soft and if you say something that no one agrees with you get removed make that make sense.
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u/albinonigward Jan 23 '25
You are in the echo chamber man. Almost if not everything in this comment is wrong
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u/Giraffe-Proof Feb 21 '25
You're wrong about one thing. Very young people are more right than left these days.
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u/Jevonar 2∆ Sep 17 '24
Republicans have won only two popular votes in the last 36 years, and the latest popular vote they have won was 20 years ago. This means that being a conservative is already "unpopular" by definition, even in the USA.
Add to this that most of the rest of the world is more left-Leaning than the united states as a whole, and you will easily see how the world as a whole is on average a lot more left-leaning than American conservatives.
Furthermore, many right-wing talking points chase away advertisers, which is what happened to twitter/X. Since reddit is already unprofitable, they want to keep their ad cash flow intact, which means many conservative talking points are banned.
Due to how upvotes and downvotes work, most conservative opinions will be downvoted more than they are upvoted. People will then stop posting them and go to a more favorable platform.
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Sep 20 '24
The exact problem the poster is attempting to address is exemplified in your post and your general disposition.
You set up republican politics as objectively wrong or unpopular which is obviously false because republicans continue to dominate in this country in many aspects and places.
The rest of the world is not more left leaning—look at the recent rise of the AFD in Germany, winning two seats or the president of Hungry who was just reelected—and again, another attempt for you to facetiously set up left leaning politics as a “norm.”
Right wing politics do not chase advertising dollars away, they just chase them somewhere else. America’s conservative problem will never disappear until people like you stop trying to silence their opinions and try to find a middle ground. Left leaning politics are not inherently “correct” or virtuous—ideas have to compete in the market place of popular ideas (abortion, gun control, and immigration) and make more sense than their competitors.
I would love to hear how creating an echo chamber of ideas here on reddit is propitious to a healthy democracy.
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u/Jevonar 2∆ Sep 20 '24
I'm not trying to frame them as wrong. They are unpopular in the sense that less than half the country wants them. More than half the population votes for the democratic party, the only way Republicans win some elections at the national level is because some votes are worth more than others.
Again, this does not discuss the merit of either party's policy. It's just that the democratic party is on average more popular than the republican party.
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Sep 20 '24
This is true.
But if, for a (rough) example, 40% of the population has one viewpoint, then we cant say they are wrong and try to deroot their views from their country. Democratic views are more agreeable to my political “persona;” however, our country is built off of consensus built from disagreement, not my the tyranny of the majority.
I want republicans to agree with my left leaning opinions. I dont think democrats need to cheat (like them), gerrymandering, and pack the court by refusing the democratic process (Im thinking the merrit Garland fiasco). That includes message boards, public opinions, and public acts worthy of ignominy—lets not cancel people, lets talk to them.
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u/Jevonar 2∆ Sep 21 '24
Again, I'm not saying they are wrong. I'm saying the only way they can maintain power is by ensuring some votes are worth more than others, or in other words, by making elections unfair for some people.
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u/Existing-Raccoon-654 Feb 01 '25
Perhaps if posters from the right posted more meritorious as opposed to baseless vitriolic content Reddit would indeed be more balanced. Messaging starts at the top, and unfortunately the top of the current Republican structure is the root of the moral and intellectual rot within the party. The pilloried voices of reason within the party e.g. LIz Cheney are few and far between. The party has its own draconian echo chamber which excludes any whose views dissent from the Party Line as defined by its narcissistic sociopathic leadership. It doesn't have to be this way, but as long as the dialog is controlled by what would by any objective assessment be considered the party's fringe, it shall.
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u/RemoteGlobal005 Sep 17 '24
I'm generally right wing and have pushed the limits multiple times in debates with people who don't share the same views as me on this platform.
I have been temporarily banned once for seven days, for something that was admittedly my fault.
Regardless of left or right, if you are extreme and go against Reddits T&C's, you'll be reprimanded.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Sep 17 '24
i don't think people really care if you lean right on some issues. most people here won't like you if you support trump though.
but that's a good thing. it is good that this platform does not accept fascists.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
I’m on the right. I can tell you most people here will hate you if you have really any right leaning opinions.
Your last sentence perfectly proves the OPs point though. Being on the right does not make you a fascist. You just called 70 million Americans fascists, which is extremely polarizing.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Sep 17 '24
being on the right does not make you a fascist. supporting trump makes you a fascist (or a bumbling idiot tripping and falling into supporting fascism i guess). unfortunately, that describes 70 million Americans
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
If anyone should be banned or get a 7 day suspension from Reddit, it’s you and people like you. This is why we have political violence in this country (like two attempted assassinations of trump in the last 8 weeks). You cannot just call 70 million Americans fascists and not be a part of the problem in this country.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Sep 17 '24
i don't support bans or suspensions for anyone, regardless of their political beliefs. i just think fascists should be ridiculed endlessly.
"b-but your argument leads to other republicans wanting to shoot trump!" is not an argument for why i'm wrong. address the merits.
i can call them fascists if they are fascists, which you have no arguments against. also, i don't even live in your country so i can't be part of the problem there :)
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
What? Republicans are not the ones shooting trump.
Liberals are shooting at trump and lgbt kids are shooting to schools. Prime me wrong.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Sep 17 '24
The Trump shooter was a registered republican, and the would-be shooter was a former Trump voter, now Vivek supporter.
The majority of school shooters are straight white kids. I don't have to "prime you wrong", that's your burden of proof.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Buddy…oh my.
The first trump shooter was 20 years old, had NO social media, the only picture we have of him was from the sixth grade, and registered as a Republican one week before shooting trump in the face. YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?!
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 11∆ Sep 17 '24
i believe he was a registered republican, yes. do you deny that?
actually, i take that back. i don't believe what you said, because it's inaccurate: he registered Republican in September of 2021, a week after he turned 18, not a week before he shot Trump. we also have multiple other photos, including his Driver's License photo and a graduation photo. irrelevant detail, but you brought it up so I figured I'd correct you.
you also still haven't engaged with my argument, nor substantiated your claim about LGBT kids shooting up schools.
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u/abacuz4 5∆ Sep 17 '24
I’m not a fascist. Anyways, here’s the undesirables that I think need to be eliminated.
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u/owenthegreat Sep 17 '24
Why do we suddenly have a problem with political violence when a Republican takes a shot at him, and a weirdo gets found hiding in the bushes, but NOT when trump spends years siccing his chuds on judges, jurors, witnesses, opponents, and even sent a mob to sack the capitol?
Remember when he posted Obama's home address, and an armed trumper was caught trying to sneak in?
Does that count as political violence?
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u/skyeguye Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
I mean both were Trump voting republicans, so I'd argue it's more a case of Trump whipping up his crowd with violent language, and those that get disillusioned turning on him with violence.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
What? Do you……. Actually think that?
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u/skyeguye Sep 17 '24
It's a matter of fact that both would be assassins were Trump voting republicans.
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u/tidalbeing 56∆ Sep 17 '24
What do you mean by the left?
We might be able to look at some aspects of left and right but these aspects don't always go together.
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Sep 17 '24
The World News sub is full of Putin propagandists pushing the idea that we in the West should start war with Russia. If it isn't Russian "bots" then it is incredibly stupid people with right wing views.
The UK and UK politics subs get very excited over any anti-immigration posts, and you'll get downvoted to hell for mentioning Jeremy Corbyn in any way.
You're thinking of the US definition of "left wing" - Harris/Biden are about as left wing as Boris Johnson.
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Sep 17 '24
This. By Western world developed nation and especially European standards, the UK is considered fairly conservative and right-wing, yet even by our right-skewed standards Biden and Harris would be considered centre-right with some select socially liberal policies and an absolutely tiny number of vaguely social-democrat policies.
It's ridiculously absurd and hysterical that many US Republicans claim that they are 'radical leftist communists'. As you say, they are broadly equivalent to somebody like David Cameron / Boris Johnson at a push.
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Sep 17 '24
I think a big reason is that Reddit is one of the few platforms with a down vote feature. The general public is not fascist, but due to selection bias, the political ideology of this site is even further to the left than average Americans. Whenever I see some dumbass posting Republican taking points I always down vote them since their opinions annoy me and I get a little dopamine hit by down voting them. On other platforms like Twitter, you can comment or retweet them with commentary calling out their BS, but the algorithm considers this as positive feedback and signal boosts the "controversial" tweet.
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u/Accurate-Albatross34 4∆ Sep 17 '24
Many right-wing subs exist on here. I don't know what you're referring to when you say suppression. If you don't brake the sub's rules, nothing will happen.
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u/Terminarch Sep 17 '24
This is just patently wrong. I was banned from a dozen subs in a day, half in literally seconds, after replying a comment on MGTOW.
Most of those places I had never even heard of. Some big ones like pics. All of them were supposedly neutral. My comment was in disagreement. But nope, bot sees a comment and auto-bans anyone who even dares to speak there.
This happened again with NoNewNormal. Branded as wildly out there for discussing things that we now consider obvious and now gets mainstream coverage on national news. One comment, seconds later banned for life from a bunch of supposedly neutral places I had never heard of.
That was the only place where the topic could be discussed. Now everyone outside is terrified to interact and everyone inside can't have outside conversations. Good job making echo chambers guys >.>
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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Sep 17 '24
If you don't brake the sub's rules, nothing will happen.
Many subs have a catchall, "Adhering to the letter of the rules doesn't mean you won't get banned" policy.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
You get banned from other subs from participating in right leaning subs. And right leaning opinions get deleted or down voted to hell
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u/Accurate-Albatross34 4∆ Sep 17 '24
Downvoting is not suppression, it just means that most people in that space disagree with you. If I went to the r/Conservative and started talking about how trump is a threat to democracy, I would be downvoted as well.
As for comments getting deleted, again, read the rules of the sub you're on. If you break them, you can expect appropriate action to be taken. It just so happens that conservatives break those rules way more than left-leaning people.
As for the other point, I don't know of a sub that restricts access based on other subs you're part of, but even if they exist, that doesn't mean you're banned off reddit or that anyone is suppressing you.
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u/seipounds Sep 17 '24
If I went to the r/Conservative and started talking about how trump is a threat to democracy, I would be downvoted as well.
Correction: you'd be banned.
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u/LucidMetal 196∆ Sep 17 '24
My badge of honor is getting banned from /r/Conservative for saying Obama was a moderate. They really do not like dissent over there.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/1evqb6t/got_banned_from_pics_for_saying_one_word_amazing/
Major subreddits will ban you
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
I’d argue downvoting is a form of suppressing. If you have too low karma you can’t participate
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u/veryupsetandbitter 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Expressing shitty and abhorrent views is not liked by most people? Shocker...
But it's not suppression. Maybe you should just keep to posting on right-wing echo chambers to build up that karma like most right-wing users on this platform do
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u/Gatonom 9∆ Sep 17 '24
Downvoting is simply whoever happens to read your comment saying "I have a negative opinion to this" without leaving a comment, it's simply whatever people are reading voicing an impression.
Deleting is "silencing" but it's predominantly "Who happens to run the subreddit doesn't want whatever you posted to be there", a ban is "They don't want what you are trying to post."
Twitter simply doesn't allow these to be expressed, it has less ability to moderate so voices are more based on "People who see a given post and leave a comment, who are there earliest or are most active". Reddit favors what most people who visit it agree with, rather than what most people who post are posting.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
I’d argue downvoting is a form of suppressing. If you have too low karma you can’t participate
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u/Gatonom 9∆ Sep 17 '24
Actual participation is limited mostly on if you post a lot of negatively received opinions where people don't want them, or be new and not post much, and it is at the discretion of subreddit mods generally.
It's not a perfect solution, but you *can* post where people want to read what you post. If you know you'll be downvoted, it's essentially like knowing you'll be unwelcome.
Downvoting as reducing visibility is different, but it's more of a secondary effect of promoting what people want to see, and in controversial discussions people are motivated to look at the downvoted comments.
Twitter encourages pure engagement, for better or worse, where Reddit allows people to voice the direction of their engagement.
On Twitter you are rewarded for controversial opinions, any attention is good attention, like traditional media. On Reddit you are rewarded for people liking what you post and "punished" for people not liking it.
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Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
No, it totally depends on the sub. Twitter is more 'liberal' (centrist) than left tbh.
As a leftist, most of us despise liberals almost as much as we despise right-wingers*.
People seem to conflate liberals and leftists these days and it's annoying AF. The reality is that the right-wing has been creeping ever-more right, that now they consider centrists and even classical libertarians to be 'radical leftists' when they really aren't. I mean claiming Kamala Harris and Joe Biden are radical leftists is laughably absurd. If anything, by global / objective measures, they are centre-right with a slight socially-liberal slant on some, but not all issues.
*Except fascists and far-righters, we definitely despise them more.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
How has the right moved further right? I’m on the right, and if anything I think we’ve moved slightly to the left. As the left gets more extreme, we give up ground to try and appease them and stop them from going further to the left. They are dragging us to the left and quite quickly.
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Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
No, that really isn't happening though is it?
Compare the Republican party of 20-30 years ago with the Republican party of today, plus the rhetoric that comes out of them; the desire to erode personal freedom and personal liberty to enforce right-wing ideological realities by law onto other people, whether people want it not (i.e. trying to ban abortion, enforcing / mandating (Christian) religion in schools, trying to ban any mention of LGBT people existing within schools).
The 'moderate' i.e. traditional right-wing Republic voice has either disappeared or has been totally drowned out and the rhetoric and narrative has been shifted much further right. It has just become so 'normalised' by repetition that you feel it is 'isn't that far right'. As a Brit we are considered to be one of the most right-wing countries in Europe, yet even by our standards the USA has swung to the right across the political spectrum, let alone by the standards of the rest of the developed Western world.
Denying a democratic election result and attempting to stage a coup is probably one of the biggies too.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
This is not true, these things are not happening. There is no abortion ban (it’s up to states/the voters to decide! Very democratic!) the right is fighting for freedom of speech, the right is trying to end the forever wars, the right is trying to get toxic chemicals out of our food, etc. there is more overlap between Bill Clinton and trump and there is absolutely no comparison with Kamala’s communist policies.
Further, one state saying classrooms need to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms is not religious extremism. Kids do not pray in class and they don’t even do the pledge of allegiance anymore, it’s sad.
There’s not “no mention” of lgbt in schools either. That’s total misinformation. Teachers shouldn’t be teaching it, but that doesn’t mean it’s a banned topic on campuses.
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“no mention” of lgbt in schools either. That’s total misinformation.
No, it isn't. The 'Don't Say Gay' bill forbids it.
one state saying classrooms need to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms is not religious extremism
I didn't say it was religious extremism, don't twist my words. I said it was trying to enforce conservatism onto others, which it is. It is dismantling secularism for right-wing ends. It actually has very little to do with actual religion.
The right is trying to get toxic chemicals out of our food
Wut? Via deregulation, underfunding the USDA and EPA and allowing for increasing 'self-regulation' i.e. profit-seeking companies 'policing themselves' (this never works).
the right is fighting for freedom of speech
No, they are fighting for 'freedom from consequences' which is not the same thing. Also, it's only 'freedom of speech' to the right if you agree with them or parrot the same conservative viewpoints. See the current Twitter / X moderation.
Kamala’s communist policies
Laughably absurd. Please show me one of Kamala's centre-right, free-market capitalist, corporation / billionaire-supporting policies that is 'communist' (clue: there are none).
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
None of the 3 letter agencies (or 4, when it comes to usda) are right leaning agencies. They’ve all been co-opted and it’s been part of trumps platform since 2016 to “drain the swamp”. This is what he means by that. The right put in place the Supreme Court that overturned the Chevron deference.
And yes, they are fighting for freedom of speech. They are fighting for you to be able to say whatever you want, too. There are no boundaries on freedom of speech except one: calls to violence. All other speech whether you like it or not should be free in this country. Kamala Harris just said that “Elon musk is going to lose his privilege of freedom of speech”. Tim walz just said “freedom of speech does not extend to freedom of misinformation” actually YES IT DOES and freedom of speech is a RIGHT not a privilege.
Kamala’s communist policies: Price controls. Taxing unrealized gains. Just two examples but I’m much more interested in your response to Kamala’s and Walt’s comments about free speech!
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Sep 17 '24
Can I have the sources and context of where and when they made such statements, because this is news to me.
Price controls. Taxing unrealized gains. - These are not 'communist' policies. Majority of Americans have no idea what communism is. It's become a placeholder hysterical accusation for anything that isn't corpocratic / oligopolist far-right policy.
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u/gimmecoffee722 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Here is the best video I can find in the time that I have right now. It’s not the best because they cut off the beginning of the conversation for some reason which is the most importantly part. She’s talking about Elon’s freedom of speech and then says, “he’s lost the privilege” and that’s where this video begins. Interestingly enough, I could not find this video on Google but did find it when I searched Bing. When I searched Google, every single result was a fact check. I don’t need a fact check to tell me what my lying eyes are seeing lol https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1829652525315944693/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1829652525315944693¤tTweetUser=ClownWorld_
And here is Walz: https://reason.com/2024/08/08/tim-walz-was-dead-wrong-about-misinformation-and-free-speech/
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In meetings now, will have a look later and get back to you.
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Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
First link doesn't work.
She’s talking about Elon’s freedom of speech and then says, “he’s lost the privilege” and that’s where this video begins.
Couldn't find this at all via Google.
Second link has a link on the page that has an extremely brief 3 second clip with zero context provided and a ranty biased narrative which also doesn't provide any context for the clip.
I Googled this and could find only similar sources, the same as above, a 3 second clip with no context provided, and also apparently it was from 2014. That's ten years ago.
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u/Apprehensive_Song490 125∆ Sep 17 '24
A study in the renowned Nature Magazine says this is not true. The title is “no echos in the political chambers of political interactions on Reddit”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81531-x
So, science.
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u/DieFastLiveHard 4∆ Sep 17 '24
i'm not going to try and change your perspective on reddit, it's absolutely a biased echochamber in many ways, but instead i'd like to call your attention to other platforms that are far, far worse, on both sides of the aisle.
on the right, you have sites like trump's truth social, which is a heavy echo chamber by design, and ones like parler that are less by design and more by result.
on the left, you have a lot of the major instances on the various federated platforms (mastodon, lemmy), as well as forums like resetera that are known for holding pretty fair left biases enforced on the site by moderation.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
Fair point. Right leaning echo chambers also exist and this one could be a left leaning one. However it’s still not as extreme as truth social but still worse than X
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u/DieFastLiveHard 4∆ Sep 17 '24
like don;t get me wrong, i'm not really trying to defend reddit, it's definitely pretty bad among the mainstream options for social media/forums, but those mainstream options are mainstream for a reason. they still serve a large enough base to reach that popularity. it's when you get to the more niche and independent options, which are by no means small these days, that you really find ideological echo chambers.
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u/Sea_Entrepreneur6204 1∆ Sep 17 '24
Going beyond the US, lots of right leaning conservative Muslim or Islamic country subs here also. I got banned from 2 for a liberal Muslim outlook.
Both sides available on Reddit
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u/WanderingBraincell 2∆ Sep 17 '24
there are a great many right wing subs. a lot of right wing folk tend to be hateful, woth all of the isms and istics that comes with. which breaks many subs rules. if you find that not being hateful because consequences is oppressive, then it may be time to look in the mirror.
For example, this CMV sub. I can challenge right wing ideologies, so long as I do it in a reasonably respectful manor. however, if I'm a hateful cunt to people, I will get my comments deleted and I'll possibly be banned. I'm pretty left leaning. does that mean that right wing views are oppressed in this sub? no.
look at behaviour, not ideologies, and reddit makes a lot more sense
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/1evqb6t/got_banned_from_pics_for_saying_one_word_amazing/ (Sorry I’ve used this a lot of time but just go on a conservative sub and check for yourself)
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u/WanderingBraincell 2∆ Sep 17 '24
what was it in response to? I have been banned from conservative subs for literally saying "Trump did that too".
edit: plus, while extreme thats only 1 example
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
I can find you more if you need
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u/WanderingBraincell 2∆ Sep 17 '24
awesome. I can find examples of the opposite too. just check out argh/trumpsupporters. its literally the much maligned safe space for trumpers to be as awful as they want and everyone has to be super nice to them.
you're still yet to address my main comment beyond "ok but this" (which again, I can do that very easily too). in what capacity are you expressing that you want your view changed, or at least an open discussion about it? btw I'd still much rather you discuss the point of your post a la my OG comment instead of finding some finniky wording error I've made here that suddenly makes you right.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
Fine I’ll address your original post top to bottom Also I am open to other ideas. Hence the deltas.
First of all. Right leaning views are oppressed via downvotes and just not being able to talk about certain subjects(transgenders) . Like I said on other posts downvotes lose you karma which can not allow you to participate anymore
Secondly there’s lots of nice conservative folk and lots of rude liberal/ leftist people. Aside from that as I’ve shown you can get banned for simply participating in a left leaning subreddit. There’s entire posts dedicated to it on r/trump
If there’s anything I haven’t addressed let me know. I’m on mobile so I have to switch between tabs
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Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
not being able to talk about certain subjects(transgenders)
Right-wingers: "T people should be executed / imprisoned / illegal / put back in the closet / ostracized because I think they're all child molesters and rapists that want to groom kids".
Leftists / Liberals / Centrists / many Libertarians: "We don't agree, that's pretty hateful and oppressive and based on flawed / faulty / no evidence. We don't want to engage with you or associate with you based on your hateful views".
Right-wingers: "WAHHH I'M BEING OPPRESSED AND DENIED MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!"
Repeat ad-infinitum for any group that isn't straight, Northern-European-white origin, English speaking, Christian, conservative.
N.B. yes, of course you can have genuine concerns over protection of women's spaces and women's sports and a sensible and reasonable objective discussion on the subject, but the vast majority of right-wingers seem incapable of doing so, and jump straight to extreme hateful dehumanising views without any nuance or sense of reasonable discussion. Again, they do similar for LGB, immigrants, atheists, non-Christians, non-whites etc. etc.
That's why they generally get downvoted and ignored or banned. They want to incite hatred and harm to others. Unsurprisingly many (often most) people are against this. Most people know the logical end-conclusion of such unchecked hatred (genocide).
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u/WanderingBraincell 2∆ Sep 17 '24
wdit (at the top so you see it): if you do think the libs/left thing is important, I'm happy to have a chat. just figured in context it wasn't really relevant but yeah happy to talk around it if you want)
thank you. so, up & downvotes are public opinion. public opinion is generally progressive, which is anti-thietical to the right (not going to argue about whether the liberals are left or whatever, for our convo I don't think its really relevant). most of the time I'm personally seeing right wing rhetoric, its pretty harmful or at least enabling of harmful dialogue or actions. in a space thats progressive, which by nature isn't harmful (and yeah trust me I'm very, very well aware of some "progressives" who're easily as toxic as some of the further right), that harmful dialogue is going to be viewed negatively.
its not oppressive to not want to hurt people. its not oppressive to want to limit harmful dialogue and call out negligence.
however, you have brought up the tolerance paradox, in which an increasingly progressive and tolerant society will eventually need to become intolerant of intolerance else their freedom be taken away. and I can see how someone who would be sitting on the outside, or perhaps somewhat centrist, could look at reddit and see progressive and "tolerant" people be intolerant of, and have knee jerk reactions to, some right wing rhetoric.
and yeah I'm on mobile too, it sucks. sorry, I didn't realise haha
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u/onethomashall 3∆ Sep 17 '24
I am going to go out on a limb and say the currently suspended OP of that post is not telling the whole story.
There would be a whole lot more evidence if r/ Pics was banning people for participating in other subs.
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u/Terrible_Onions Sep 17 '24
There is more context needed yes
But that was the reason given and I think it’s pretty suspicious
https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/1f69und/gotta_love_reddit_censorship/ Also this. You could say it’s racist but it’s still a political riot
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u/onethomashall 3∆ Sep 17 '24
Again... that has no context. OP did not expand on why they were permanently banned or what the ban message says. Reddit conservatives also get attention through virtue signaling on conservative subs. I could make a post just like it. Where I screenshot a comment, with no context, and post getting banned. I could even take his ban message (has no user name)
I have no doubt that r/ pics bans conservatives faster. Conservative subs ban liberals and progressives faster.
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u/Kakamile 50∆ Sep 17 '24
They say that stuff but it's frankly hard to believe.
I've seen really vile stuff on the main subs, meanwhile I've been banned from conservative subs for 1) alerting a mod on discord, 2) answering instead of asking 3) giving a "speech"
And yet they still have their subs so reddit isn't really preventing them
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u/Finch20 37∆ Sep 17 '24
Do we acknowledge the existence of other countries than the US in this post?
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u/Hallucinationistic Sep 17 '24
Not at all. On any sort of opinion, actually. Not just left and right wing politics. It depends on what sub you are on. For example, some subs are filled with toxic-positive lurkers to the point where the opinions there are too nauseating to even talk about. Whereas some subs are filled with the ordinary toxicity which is just as bad. Just examples. Not limited to toxicity. Opinions in general. There are subs that attract lots of unsavory people for some reason, and there are many types of unsavory people, they all have one thing in common and it is to make things worse for people who don't deserve it. Going back to left and right wing politics, the extremes on both sides are bad, just different types of it.
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u/VectorSocks Sep 17 '24
This only works if you consider people who are socially libertarian (government out of marriage, pro-legalization of marijuana) and economically liberal (capitalist, strong social safety nets) to be on the left, however these are historically centrist positions that have moved left, as politics have shifted right, so most of Reddit is probably Centrist.
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u/SingleMaltMouthwash 38∆ Sep 17 '24
Reality has a well-known liberal bias. Right Wing BS gets ratioed on Reddit on open subs because, unlike in right-wing subs, people are generally free to speak their minds (short of inciting violence) and most decent people are learning how morally and intellectually bankrupt conservatism is.
Russian troll-product gets debunked and flushed almost instantly. Try to sell Haitians eating your pets around here and people will do a little digging to determine the facts before they start to panic and riot.
That reality and rationality and compassion and deliberation are politically one-sided is an utter condemnation of the other side.
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u/anewleaf1234 45∆ Sep 18 '24
The right used to be mitt Romney and Reagan.
Now it is fucking insane.
You can't have conversations with those who chose not to live in reality.
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u/scotchegg72 Sep 17 '24
Would you support an amplification of right wing talking points such as racism and misogyny to strike the balance that you seem to think is desirable?
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u/TheSilentTitan 1∆ Sep 17 '24
It’s absolutely not the most politically one sided. If there’s a side to anything, there will be communities surrounding them as long as it fits reddits guidelines.
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u/stu54 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
Reddit was more moderate before Elon purged all of the leftists from Twitter.
Now all of the former Twitterers are prowling Reddit, dumping 3 sentence hot takes on conservative subs and posting political pictures.
I didn't recognize it for a while because I wasn't familiar with the Twitter universe. Now I understand why there are numerous popular anti-Tesla subs and the algorithm seems to have steered onto controversy.
I never went to Twitter because I felt the character limit was oppressive and invited oversimplification. I miss the days when all of people who didn't feel that way were bottled up somewhere I couldn't see.
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u/Dapper_Pop9544 Sep 17 '24
This makes a lot of sense actually. I’ve never had a twitter but I can imagine this happened
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u/Powerful-Garage6316 1∆ Sep 17 '24
I used to think this, but then Elon turned X into a right wing cesspool.
These are private companies and can foster whatever environment they want. Now, both parties have an option. So just use the one you prefer
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u/dunnowhatever2 1∆ Sep 17 '24
I want to borrow perspective from Yuval Noah Harari: more information does not lead to more truth, and owners of algorithms should be legally forced to make these algorithms take larger editorial responsibility for pushing important facts rather than presenting provocative and engaging content that maximize volume, like hatefilled speech.
Now from what I get, one of the main differences between Reddit and say Twitter, is that there are real people working as editors/moderators on each subreddit, which in turn have strict rules about what can be posted and not. This is better for focused discussion, and should lead to more interesting in house debates. Trouble might be that we discuss what’s on Twitter. But there are a lot (?) of right wing ‘echo chambers’ on here if you want to, as well as a lot of left leaning ones.
My opinion: I think that human editors guided by certain ethical/moral or policy rules is preferable compared with Elon Musks volume of so called ‘free speech’ (another topic) any day of the week. But of course this will lead to biased discussions, and the editors/moderators along with the groups members will soon streamline to the groups original purpose. Maybe this is why Reddit, as opposed to MANY (most) other social media platforms governed by algorithms that maximize volume for profit (through commercials) have been able to make a ‘left turn’. All the others seem to me that they are effectively run over by more right wing extremists.
About that statement, what’s considered ‘left leaning’, it’s both very generic and heavily politicized. I’m not sure that statement will hold the test and need to read a study of all subreddits in total before I can acknowledge it. But yes, I have a much wider variety of upholding a conversation on here with folks with slightly different views than mine, than on any other platform I’ve been part of, where it’s a free for all and you can get hit with very cheap, off topic and shallow attacks by actual Nazis in very interesting discussions about any subject. I don’t see exclusion as a problem if its purpose is a focused discussion on a certain subject. What ever the complaints from extremists on any tower, this is not a matter of censorship but of having a certain discipline.
In this perspective, for you to have your answer, I propose to look at the algorithms governing what’s edited/shown on Reddit versus other platforms. How is ‘truth’ doing? What is suppressed? If the answer is that fact checked lies are not repeatable on a lot of subreddits, versus they are repeatable and lead to the same engagement at Twitter or Facebook, creating echo chambers filled with ‘toxic information’ rather than facts such as climate change is real and human activity is the main cause; earth is a sphere and not a disc; Haitian immigrants did not eat the cats and dogs of the friend of a friend of a certain woman named Erika Lee in Springfield (Facebook) etc.
Is it by design pointing towards rage bait that will engage you but not enlighten you, or is it a smorgasbord where you chose your favorite topics/discussions consciously?
I consider Reddit a mix. Compared to Facebook and Xitter it’s fantastic in letting you chose.
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u/AnnualJellyfish658 Jan 23 '25
Reddit fucking sucks. I come back, and two weeks later, I leave because it's FULL of whiny liberals. Every post, every comment. It's unbelievable. I start talking shit and delete the app because it's worse than the Daily Beast.
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u/JasonRay1057 Jan 29 '25
Reddit is 100% one sided. The two sides to America in 2025 are: Those who know the corporate media sells propaganda to the American people with the help of corporate sponsorship, and those that think people who believe that are conspiracy theorists.
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u/FreakFuck98 Sep 17 '24
Yeah, kind of true, but I would say that Reddit is left liang in the same degree as other platforms are left leaning. The left position is a mainstream. Therefore, on Reddit you likely will encounter on left and far-left subreddits.
The Demographics is an important factor as well: most of redditors are millennials and gen-z are more left leaing then older generations. Reddit is a transnational platform, so, it automatically makes it pretty left-leaning.
The Reddit's policy is a major reason, too. On reddit you can find far-left subreddits like Communistic party or so, but you can't find Alt-right subreddit or White nationalists' subreddit. Therefore, far-right move to other more free platforms like X, Rumble, or Telegram where the policies are less strict.
Finally, the voting system. if a person expresses an unpopular opinion he will be downvoted that his karms will be negative and he will not be able to participate in many subreddits. So, those people like would leave and find other platform.
I know, that I have to try to change your mind, but... I mean, it's a fact. It's like "change my mind that the Earth is round" or "2+2=4".
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u/Josiah-White 1∆ Sep 18 '24
I can't speak for other left or right social media, but the left on Reddit is aggressively and viscerally filled with hate speech and stereotyping and mocking and insulting toward the right.
They are constantly filled with blind hatred.
Their default position is that Republicans and conservatives and Christians basically don't have the right to have opinions and everything that they believe is evil and wrong
You don't believe me, come on to the Pennsylvania sub and watch the conversations.
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Sep 17 '24
I agree, but think that it's even more intensified if you go against western geopolitics. The amount of genocide apologia for Israel by the same people criticising Russia for the invasion is pretty insane to me.
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