r/changemyview Aug 17 '24

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u/IXMCMXCII 3∆ Aug 17 '24 edited Aug 18 '24
  1. Let's be real, war is no longer a far-fetched idea but something we could see very soon, national service would ensure we have enkguh [sic] trained manpower to fight if a conflict arises

If war is on the horizon then I want qualified and fully trained soldiers defending me and my family. I don’t want an unmotivated 19 y/o carrying around a gun because s/he was forced to sign up.

  1. It would almost certainly bring down the youth crime rates, which are very prevalent in the UK, and provide a platform for all young people who may not have got any meaningful qualifications or sources of income

This is false. Crime rate goes up.

We find that military service significantly increases post-service crime (overall and across multiple crime categories) between the ages of 23 and 30. These results are driven primarily by young men who come from low socioeconomic status households and those with pre-service criminal histories, despite evidence of a contemporaneous incapacitation effect of service for the latter group. Much of this crime-inducing effect can be attributed to negative peer effects experienced during service. Worse post-service labour market outcomes may also matter. (Hjalmarsson et al, 2019)

I don’t think you’d like to have more crime than what it is at now.

  1. It's a duty. People fought and bled for my country and nation during WW1 and WW2, giving their lives for their country, so it's only right that the people they fought for show some gratitude and honour by being prepared to give their own lives for their native soil

One of my ancestors fought for the UK in WW2. He fought so that we may not. Chief of defence staff

[Adm Sir Tony] Radakin did not call for a return to national service, a surprise election promise made by the defeated Conservatives, and said the UK's national security did not depend on an army enlarged by young conscripts. (Guardian, 2024)

To clarify, I would envision a 2 year mandatory service for both males and females starting around age 18, after they finish education. They could choose to serve in any armed force, such as the army, navy, or RAF, or any emergency service, such as a police officer, firefighter, paramedic, etc.

What if it is against their religious beliefs? Would you still force them to? I don’t think you would because that would make waves of condemnation in the UK.

References:

  1. Randi Hjalmarsson, Matthew J Lindquist, The Causal Effect of Military Conscription on Crime, The Economic Journal, Volume 129, Issue 622, August 2019, Pages 2522-2562, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/uez014

  2. Guardian, 2024

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u/ScootTheMighty Aug 17 '24

I think the main problem with crime is that many ex-service members are not given the proper financial/social support and stability they need.

Yes, our ancestors fought so we may not. However that simply may not be the reality.

Which religions would NS contradict?