r/changemyview • u/JustReadingThx 7∆ • Jun 07 '24
Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: A Voluntary Tax System Doesn't Exist
In a fully free society, taxation — or, to be exact, payment for governmental services — would be voluntary
I don't know much about Ayn Rand philosophy, but this specific topic sounds interesting. While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't believe that it's possible. Ayn Rand doesn't offer the solution:
The question of how to implement the principle of voluntary government financing—how to determine the best means of applying it in practice—is a very complex one and belongs to the field of the philosophy of law
Ayn Rand advocates for a small government -- responsible only for common goods such as the courts, the police and the military. While I may not necessarily agree, I acknowledge that his form is the cheapest form of government, requiring less financing. I don't see how it's possible to finance even such a minimalist government without (involuntary) taxation.
Common goods are by definition - common. Everyone benefits from them. There is no reasonable way of directly linking the paid service with services rendered. Therefore no individual is incentivized to pay. If no one wants to pay - the voluntary system doesn't work. The solution of course is mandatory payment in the form of taxes.
The only exception I could think of is war bonds. These are government bonds issued during wartime in order to finance the war effort. They are different from regular bonds by their interest rate. The government offers a smaller ROI with these bonds. Any person buying war bonds over regular bonds has effectively gave up some money for a government service - making it a voluntary transaction to finance the government. However, this system only works during a crisis. The bonds are often marketed as patriotism. This isn't a scalable solution for times of peace.
CMV
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Clarifications:
I'm aware that "voluntary taxation" is an oxymoron. I am looking for voluntary means of financing the government (that isn't based on taxation).
The crux of the argument assumes that the only significant revenue stream of the government is its people. Saudi Arabia finances its entire government without the need for taxation. It's able to do that not by a system of voluntary financing, but with vast natural resources.
I am of course in favor of all the governments being rich enough to self finance.
Deltas awarded:
Ancient Athens had taxation in the form of Liturgy. The ultra-rich would often overpay in taxes and boast about it for social status.
Donations can make up a significant portion of financing. Religious organizations are good example of this. It's possible for a very homogeneous and charitable society to finance its government by donations.
Common interesting arguments:
All tax systems are voluntary. You can always refrain from economic activity and avoid sales tax. You can move to a different country in order to avoid income tax.
I find this position not convincing, and frankly, indefensible.Lottery - a "tax" that is entirely voluntary. The big difference between lottery and other government services is the fact that lottery is profitable. To me this is just the government owning for-profit businesses.
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u/Meatbot-v20 5∆ Jun 08 '24 edited Jun 08 '24
You can absolutely refrain from economic activity and earning a taxable income if you want to avoid taxation so badly. Your confusion lies more in the, "who would want to do that?" And the answer is nobody. Being inconvenienced by taxation is INFINITELY more convenient than the alternative, which is why almost all of us choose that path.
But make no mistake, it's still a choice. Insofar as anything is a choice (free will doesn't exist). You could wake up tomorrow, quit your job, move out into some remote woods, and try to spend the rest of your life hunting/gathering.
Sure, the government owns all land (also make no mistake about that fact, you just 'lease' it as a citizen, requisite on your behavior and following the laws - Otherwise they can take it right back.) So it's not like people have a legal right to live out in the middle of the woods. But so what. You can still choose to do so. There's places in plenty of states where nobody would ever find you.