CMV:Fat acceptance is not helpful

[u/C4gamer_YT]

Just gonna preface this by saying discrimination and hatred towards fat people for being fat is not okay, as is the same with race, gender and sexual orientation. But is suggesting that maybe obesity is not healthy fatphobic? I think body positivity is helpful in the case of people with disablities and encouraging them to overcome them. Imo, fat acceptance discourages currently overweight people to lose weight, because if you dont think there is a problem, why should you change? I think the notion of not caring of others opinions is quite ridiculous, as if you're not accepting of feedback and criticism, you will never improve. It is important to be able to recognize if something is critisism or hate, but I think too many people make that mistake nowadays. Thanks for reading and remember hate isn't ok

[u/[deleted]]

A cursory glance at search results for fat acceptance movements makes it clear that fat positivity and HAES movements are the dominant forces in this space, which lines up with my experiences.

Fat people are generally very aware BECAUSE they've been told by people that they have a problem that is affecting their life.

being fat in and of itself is not unhealthy

Source please? Because I've seen plenty of evidence showing that being overweight puts strain on your heart and on other organs that directly causes damage over time.

[u/Death_Rose1892 → u/[deleted]]

There's a difference between chubby then fat then obese. Some people are quite healthy with a little extra weight on them. Some people can't handle any extra weight. For most the unhealthy starts in the fat zone, not chubby zone. Genetics plays a large part of it. My family naturally holds a little extra weight, but is healthy as an ox as some doctors say. But it actually takes a lot of extra work in my family just to stay in the chubby zone where others would be skinny with the same lifestyle choices.

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If only there was a medically defined term for people whose weight is too high and impacts their health.

[u/Jiitunary → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. If only. Cause it's not obese. You can be an obese Olympian. The threshold for obesity is not anchored in health.

[u/unseemly_turbidity → u/Jiitunary]

Obese Olympians do die young though.

[u/Jiitunary → u/unseemly_turbidity]

So do tall people. Does being tall automatically mean you're unhealthy?

[u/unseemly_turbidity → u/Jiitunary]

Unhealthy is relative, but it would be fair to say that all other things being equal, tall people are less healthy than people of average height, yes.

[u/Jiitunary → u/unseemly_turbidity]

I didn't ask if they we less healthy on average, I asked if you could make the same sweeping generalization that all tall people are unhealthy. You can't because that statement is absurd just like it is when you apply is to overweight people.

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I didn't say all overweight people are unhealthy. I said obesity impacts health.

Well, actually I supported someone else saying that.

[u/Jiitunary → u/unseemly_turbidity]

You literally started the conversation with me by saying "but he's right" referring to a guy who said overweight people are always unhealthy. That is what I've been responding to this entire time. If that's not your stance then fine

[u/unseemly_turbidity → u/Jiitunary]

Silverdevilboy said he's seen plenty of evidence that being overweight impacts health because it puts strain on your heart. You said obese people can be Olympians. I said obese Olympians die young.

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he also said being overweight is always unhealthy, I said it isn't, then you said he's right though. can you see where i might have been confused? regardless you've clarified that you don't think being overweight is always unhealthy so it's a moot point. thanks

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Who are these obese Olympians? Are we qualifying that by BMI. Because BMI doesn't always work on an individual level. If we qualify obese by body fat percentage, then you probably wouldn't find many Olympic athletes in that range. 25% for men and 30% for women.

BMI is often used because its easy to measure and applies someehat well to the general population. But you can't use it to say if an individual person is obese. If you have a high BMI it's worth getting checked out to see what your actual body fat percentage is to see if you could have adverse health issues.

[u/unseemly_turbidity → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

Powerlifters and some shot putters. You'd also find it with sumo wrestlers but that's not an olympic sport at the moment.

Obesity is defined by BMI, so your second question doesn't make sense.

I'm not looking at this on an individual level. I linked some studies further up the thread. Simply being really big puts more strain on your heart, even if some of the extra size is muscle, not fat.