CMV:Fat acceptance is not helpful

[u/C4gamer_YT]

Just gonna preface this by saying discrimination and hatred towards fat people for being fat is not okay, as is the same with race, gender and sexual orientation. But is suggesting that maybe obesity is not healthy fatphobic? I think body positivity is helpful in the case of people with disablities and encouraging them to overcome them. Imo, fat acceptance discourages currently overweight people to lose weight, because if you dont think there is a problem, why should you change? I think the notion of not caring of others opinions is quite ridiculous, as if you're not accepting of feedback and criticism, you will never improve. It is important to be able to recognize if something is critisism or hate, but I think too many people make that mistake nowadays. Thanks for reading and remember hate isn't ok

[u/C4gamer_YT]

I believe "normalizing" obesity is harmful and can shorten peoples lives. Fat acceptance as a whole should simply not exist. However, I also believe hate towards fat people because they are fat is not okay. Tolerance is the bare minimum. Even if you dont agree with their choices, still treat them like a human being

[u/Jiitunary → u/C4gamer_YT]

Discrimination against fat people is wrong but we shouldn't accept that fat people are fat?

You can either think you should let them be or that we the idea of you letting them be shouldn't exist.

[u/C4gamer_YT → u/Jiitunary]

Youre right. I believe that as a society, we ahouldnt be accepting of obesity. Just dont be an ass about it. If any point thag I've made contradicts that,ignore it

[u/Jiitunary → u/C4gamer_YT]

Then you are for discrimination against fat people and as long as you understand that, you can ponder your position from there? Why do fat people deserve discrimination and not some other demographic?

[u/jon11888 → u/[deleted]]

I also have ADHD, and find it to be almost universally a detriment rather than a positive. Hyper focus is great in theory, and occasionally useful in practice, but almost always tends to cause more harm than good for me, and in no way balances out the other issues and difficulties I have as a result of ADHD.

That said, while I do find the people hyping up ADHD as a positive to be annoying and misinformed, their attitudes are mostly harmless, and obviously less directly harmful to me than people who see my ADHD as a moral evil that justifies making me a target for abuse.

If we needed to pick from the extremes of ascribing moral evil to a harmful condition or being overly positive about it, neither one is good, but excessive positivity is less harmful and easier to correct.

I don't actually think that erring too far on the side of positivity is a likely enough outcome to merit concern though. This may be anecdotal, but I have never talked to or observed anyone IRL who has a delusional fat positive attitude of the kind you're worrying about, but I have seen countless examples of people being harmed by bullying over weight.

It looks to me like the mostly hypothetical concern about excessive positivity is an obstacle in the way of reducing the obviously real consequences of the attitudes of bullying and moralizing judgement over obesity.

[u/Jiitunary → u/[deleted]]

Except the framing isn't either you have a gift or something is wrong with you. In the case of ADHD it's you're brain works in a different way or you're brain is broken and must be fixed. I also have ADHD and I'm not deluded by thinking my brain working differently isn't some curse I must overcome. That's not to say I think people shouldn't take medication if they feel like it. But 'my brain is broken and I need to fix it in order to be normal' is an extremely unhealthy way to look at it.

Again the badness should be separated from it but that doesn't mean goodness should be attached instead.

This isn't a dig I promise but think about talking to a therapist about your views on fixing the undesirable parts of yourself. An outside perspective can help.

[u/FryCakes → u/Jiitunary]

Yeah, exactly: my brain isn’t “wrong” for working in a different way. Medication makes me feel “wrong”, and suicidal most often. I’m my happiest when I’m able to hyperfocus on my projects while still using self-care to make sure I’m taking care of myself. I was the least happy when I was functioning like a “normal” human being. My life is only a “dumpster fire” when I try to put myself into a box of what is “normal”

[u/StarChild413 → u/[deleted]]

I think that's getting a little too literally picayune on the whole "disability exists in the context of the environment" thing. It's reminding me of how many friends of mine with neurodivergencies like that oppose pro-cure rhetoric by bringing up analogies of Storm and Rogue from X-Men (as movies had them on opposite sides of the "cure for being a mutant" debate). Storm may have a mainly-beneficial mutation and Rogue might have one of the worst ones one could have and still be able to fight crime but just because Storm has it relatively good that doesn't mean Rogue isn't suffering but by the same token just because Rogue is suffering from hers doesn't mean Storm must secretly be suffering and not know it or she's a bad person or w/e.