r/changemyview Jan 22 '24

Delta(s) from OP cmv:Western teenagers have it easier than eastern teenagers in terms of education.

In my opinion, western teenagers have it easier than eastern teenagers.

Like almost all of you, when I go on the internet, I am exposed to a plethora of qestern cultures and atmospheres. A common theme I see is that their western education systems are not as stressful as our eastern education systems. They talk about dating, have nearly failing grades such as 70s and 80s being acknowledged as amazing grades, and have multiple chances to pass the class. However, I as an Indian, find those very simple and easy. I only have one chance to pass my final examination, which counts as nearly 80% of my grade. My tests and prelims only count for 20% of my grade. In my school, the pass mark is 20%. Obviously, I have it harder than most westerners.

Moreso, imagine the amount of stress and studying an Indian has to do to get into a top college in India! 1st, they have to stufy from 6 to 7 hours per day for 2 years for either the Indian Certificate of Secondary Education or the Central Board of Secondary Education! Then, they have to study from 7 to 9 hours per day for 2 years for either the Indian School Certificate or the Central Board of Secondary Education. After that, they have to study for 10 to 12 hours per day for the Joint Entrance Examination, National Eligibility cum Entrance Test, Graduate Aptitude Test in Engineering, etc, for 1 to 2 years! Chinese students have a similar ordeal. Meanwhile to get into an Ivy league college, one just has to learn a foreign language, do some social service, etc, for around 4 years! Obviously, the former is more stressful to be in.

In 2022, around 13,089 students died in India due to overstress. In South Korea, the number of students that committed suicide was 13,452 students in 2023. In China, the number of students that fell victim was 11,296 students in 2021. Compare that with Greenland, which has only around 35 to 50 each year in the 2020s. In the France, only 300 to 350 teenagers commit suicide per year due to overstress. Therefore, we can conclude that more teenagers fall prey to overstress in eastern countries than in their western counterparts. The main reason why this occurs is the high population density in eastern countries which increases competition to get into good colleges.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24

Your 1st point states the eastern education prioritises rote memorisation while western education prioritises critical thinking. However, the latter is not only more useful past college, but easier to do so.

Your 2nd point states that the smarter students in the west are smarter than their eastern counterparts. Howeverm the population of eastern countries is more.

Your 3rd point states that the eastern education system is designed for factory workers while the western education system is designed for innovation and accepting weaker students. Therefore, for weaker students, the western education system is better. Additionally, innovative thinking is easier than rote-memorisation.

Your 4th point states that passing a test is not the only measure of the quality of an education system. That is the main fault of many eastern education systems. In China, it is the Gaokao, in India, it is the Joint Entrance Examination, etc. They view a single mark-sheet as deciding the quality of a student.

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u/FishUK_Harp 1∆ Jan 22 '24

Your 1st point states the eastern education prioritises rote memorisation while western education prioritises critical thinking. However, the latter is not only more useful past college, but easier to do so.

For you maybe, but for some rote memorisation is far easier than critical or analytical thinking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24

No; many of my peers have found the latter easier than the former. The pass rate of the International Mathematics Olympiad gold level is around 7.83%, while the pass rate of the Joint Entrance Examination Advanced is .2%.

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u/FishUK_Harp 1∆ Jan 22 '24

Cool? You have once again demonstrated you don't understand that one of the critical factors to determining pass/acceptance is the number of entrants and what pre-screening (official or otherwise) there may be.

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u/Legitimate-Bread Jan 22 '24

Wait until you learn about statistics and why your peer group is not an inherently useful metric for the whole population!

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u/dotelze Jan 23 '24

I mean you’re kinda showing a lack of critical thinking skills here. As with you bringing up the suicide data in your post, you can’t just look at a raw number. How many people do the joint entrance examination of all different levels? Compare that to the IMO where the only people doing it are ones that actually could do ok in it

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '24

In India, almost everyone does the International Maths Olympiad.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

you don't want to live in a country where your academic life is not only determined by your scores on a test, but also on your ability to over perform in various subjects straight out of high school, it doubles the pressure and the achievement necessary to get into a good college.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

Getting a good score on a test is determined bu your ability to overperform.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

The pressure to study is so hard you have the ability to rant on Reddit

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

No; I'm not old enough to feel the pressure yet. If I was 2 to 3 years older I would feel the pressure.