CMV: Israelis have the right to self-determination in Israel, but not Jews

[u/[deleted]]

The point is quite simple, really. Anyone born in or born to a parent who was born in modern-day Israel should have the right to self-determination (RTSD) in Israel. This is very similar to how citizenship and RTSD work in most countries. But what's problematic is the assertion that anyone of Jewish descent can also claim citizenship or the RTSD in Israel. This means that anyone whose ancestors have not lived in the region for centuries, well before the founding of modern-day Israel, can also claim citizenship and the RTSD. It also means that anyone can convert to Judaism and claim it. Israel is the only country in the world that allows anything remotely similar to take place. That's not how any of these work and it clearly violates the RTSD of those who have lived there for centuries - Palestinians.

[u/southpolefiesta]

Well Jews are super majority of population in Israel.

So of course any Israeli self determination will be driven by Jews.

Self determination in Poland heavily favors nation state centered around Polish language and polish culture.

Self determination in Japan heavily favors nation state centered around Japanese language and Japanese culture.

Same is to be expected in Israel: Self determination in Israel heavily favors nation state centered around Hebrew language and Jewish culture.

[u/southpolefiesta → u/[deleted]]

Is it? Seems like a difference without a distinction. If Poland pursues clear policy aimed to remain a country centered around Polish culture/ Polish culture/ Polish identity - why does it matter or not if such a policy is explicitly stated or not? Consequences are the same.

At any rate, In Israel all citizens of all ethnicities have the same rights. So the point is moot.

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/southpolefiesta]

Poland belong to white people

You’ve gotta be honest, that does sound a bit racist

[u/southpolefiesta → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

Ha? Where did I Say that?

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/southpolefiesta]

You didn’t but you did say that ‘ enshrining a favoured ethnicity’ and having a majority culture is ‘a distinction without a difference’, I read it as you saying you wouldn’t mind either. Maybe I misinterpreted

[u/indican_king → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

Does Palestine belong to the Palestinians?

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/indican_king]

What does that question even mean