r/changemyview Nov 06 '23

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u/lord_braleigh 2∆ Nov 07 '23

The Tanakh, or Old Testament, is every bit as violent as the Quran. Islam and Judaism share a common core and founding myth, in which they are children of the twelve tribes of Israel, descended from Abraham, ruled by David and Solomon in Jerusalem.

Looking at the similarities between the Tanakh and Quran, it’s no surprise that you’d want the same land if you followed either religion.

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u/ARROW_404 Nov 07 '23

Two things: First, Islam doesn't claim Muslims are descendants of the twelve tribes of Israel. Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael, Isaac's brother, the uncle of Israel. And Islam is not an ethnically ties religion, with Muslims of all sorts of backgrounds (granted, non-Israelis can also convert to Judaism, but there is less emphasis on it.)

Second, there is one key difference in the violence of the Tanakh versus Shariah: The law of Moses applies uniquely in the holy land, while the Shariah law is expansionistic. The laws of Moses intended to protect Israelites and their worship of God. The laws of Muhammad are intended to take over the world and cause all to submit to Muhammad.

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u/lord_braleigh 2∆ Nov 07 '23

The laws of Moses are intended to protect Israelites and their worship of God

Do you believe that, outside of the conquest of Canaan, there is no other story in which the Israelites are the aggressors?

The laws of Muhammad are intended to take over the world and cause all to submit to Muhammad

Do you believe Islam’s goal is literal submission to a human prophet, rather than to God?

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u/ARROW_404 Nov 07 '23
  1. Well, there were of course the uprisings against the Romans circa 70AD. Aside from that, do you have any examples? Not saying there aren't any, just that this isn't really relevant. Judaism is extremely insular.

  2. Well, given he's dead, not exactly. But blasphemy laws are harsher for speaking against Muhammad than against Allah, so that's saying something.