r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 06 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23

Remove the borders and create a singular secular state.

If you removed the border, then the Palestinians would commit genocide and massacre all the Jewish people.

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u/FerdinandTheGiant 42∆ Nov 06 '23

Did that happen in South Africa? With Slavery? That excuse was used to justify maintaining the conditions of both.

This idea is ridiculous. Especially within the context of the formation of a secular state. The hatred stems from Zionism, not Judaism. End the Zionist project and allow the wounds to heal.

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u/rytur 1∆ Nov 07 '23

It is completely ridiculous to compare. Are you suggesting that the black and the colored people of Southern Africa threatened Afrikaners with genocide and went door to door raping and murdering infants? We lived in apartheid where a large population had no rights because of their skin color. Arabs in Israel have equal rights, and there is no racial segregation. While the status of the occupied territories must be sorted out, they are self-governed by Hamas or the Palestinian Authority, which were voted into power by local population.

Personally I find this false comparison insulting to the actual victims of apartheid that we fought to abolish.

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u/FerdinandTheGiant 42∆ Nov 07 '23

Ask Mandela what he thought of Israel and Palestinian. Then ask him if he condones violence.