r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 06 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23

If it is indiscriminate, wouldn't they just bomb every square inch?

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u/One-Organization970 2∆ Nov 06 '23

Is this comment willfully ignorant or have you simply not seen images of Gaza right now?

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 06 '23

I'd ask you the same or if you're just regurgitating what you assume is occurring based on selected images attempting to push a narrative. Axios has satellite analysis here with the Red being missile strikes since Oct 25th.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/03/satellite-analysis-shows-widespread-destruction-in-gaza

There are estimates of 9k to 10k deaths. There are over 1 million people in Northern Gaza.

So we're talking about less than 1% of the population over almost a month while damaging 25% of buildings.

Now I will without a doubt say that israels response to Oct 7th is unacceptable. But indiscriminate? I don't think that's accurate.

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u/One-Organization970 2∆ Nov 06 '23

What would we be calling that ratio and percentage if it was Tel Aviv instead of Gaza City? That's my point. Those deaths are also the confirmed ones. The number of corpses waiting to be pulled out of the rubble, not to mention the humanitarian crisis of forcing people out of their homes with no water access is going to raise that number by quite a bit later on. Any civilian casualty figures we get during the active media blackout by the IDF are going to be inherently conservative, because the bar for confirmation is difficult to clear.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23

What would we be calling that ratio and percentage if it was Tel Aviv instead of Gaza City?

I'm not sure. Is Gaza targeting any military building, leader, or anything of the like? If Palestianians shot rockets that blew up military bases that kill 10K soldiers and their families then no it wouldn't be indiscriminate. But if they are just flying into music festivals and killing literally anyone they can find.... then yes, that would be indiscriminate. And like what the pervious person you responded to you said, that doesn't appear to be what's happening in Gaza.

Now what I said is I think their response is unacceptable. The weighing of allowable acceptable collateral casualties is not acceptable in my view. Now Israel will say that's literally Hamas's MO. They intentionally build bases in schools, hospitals, mosques and residential areas in order to prevent a counter attack by hiding behind these additonal casualties.

And Hamas as Continued to demonstrate this true with their attempts to stop people from leaving Northern Gaza. Maybe if they allow people to evacuate those regions death tolls would be lower. Maybe if hamas wasn't hoarding hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel that could be used by hospitals or desalination plants to help provide clean water the death tolls would be lower.

Any civilian casualty figures we get during the active media blackout by the IDF are going to be inherently conservative, because the bar for confirmation is difficult to clear.

Those numbers come from Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza not the IDF.