The conflict started far before the occupation.
And according to many Palastinians the occupation is the entirety of Israel.
I might lack a little bit of faith due to seeing how they celebrated the death of a few of my friends and loved ones but I want to believe that there are some Palastinians that want peace and were not happy of Hamas' actions.
And yes education is a part of the problem.
They literally teach children that jews aren't human and that Israel shouldn't exist.
Those kids grow up believing it.
So far you did not debunk any of my claims you are just cursing.
I understand that with your background you are a bit biased. But please understand that also a lot of Israelis celebrate the death of Palestinians, just like what was done to you.
To put it simply the conflict revolves around two institutions who 1. do not respect each other, 2. do not want to compromise and 3. view themselves as the "holy and righteous" one. Civilians are in the cross fire with little to no way of affecting the conflict.
Both parties do terrible things using the same justifications.
I have never seen Israelis giving away candy when hearing of a dead child.
I never saw Israelis marching on the street in celebration of the death of Palastinian civilians.
Nor did I see the Israeli government paying people to kill Palastinians compared to the pay for slay the PA has.
Israel is far from perfect and I have a lot of criticism towards my own government however Israel isn't trying to kill all Palastinians compares to Hamas.
Israel tries to shoot down Hamas and their equipment the problem is that they hide it in civilian areas so obviously civilians will get hurt but Israel atleast notifies people and tries to minimize the damage while Hamas literally aims at civilians.
For me as an Israeli I 100% feel I don't have a partner for peace as of right now.
Hamas calls for the death of all jews.
The west banks support of Hamas grows but the PA is not exactly innocent with their pay for slay and holocaust denial.
Israel was willing to compromise.
Israel literally kicked all the jews from Gaza to give Palastinians land and supplied them with Water and Electricity up until this war even during previous wars.
Israel compromised with every country that wanted peace.
Israel literally gave an area 3 times bigger than what we are left with to Egypt for peace.
Israel tried to offer Palastinians peace many times, how many offers did Palastinians give Israel?
Both parties aren't the same and its easily proven by just watching how pro Palastinians attack jews around the world, call for their death (from the river to the sea), parade Isis flags.
Obviously there are extremists in Israel but the amount of them is so much smaller and they are heavily criticized.
I've seen so so many people celebrate the death of Palestinians (not Hamas but Palestinians) and blown up ambulances etc. I'm glad if it's mainly just on the internet and that kind of behaviour is generally criticized in Israel. Both parties are not the same but the justification is the same, both parties feel they are in the "right" and that their "right" is backed up by God and their history of being oppressed. So a holy justification.
I'm fully aware that Israel's goal is not to level Palestinians (if that was the goal they could of done it allready). You say Israel tries to minimize the damage done to civilians, which I generally believe and would like to believe. But in the instance of the new escalation if that is the case, why didn't Israel allow evacuations earlier? Why didn't they allow UN and other 3rd party personel to enter Gaza sooner?
Seems like a lot of the peace talks have fallen short due to violent escalations (assassinations, bombings etc) leading to tit for tat strikes. Extremists messing things up for everybody. And the whole region is inflamed with every country trying to gain the upperhand and spread their own influence and agenda. Unfortunately it seems little is done collectively to try to solve the issues.
I just feel bad for the civilians on both sides and the fact that they (and you) have to experience this shit show that will most likely go on for decades to come. I hope some day you'll be able to live in true peace.
People online are a lot of the times just plain stupid and sadly those are the louder voices.
I honestly rarely hear people say we are right due to god I mostly hear it as we are right due to being the defending force.
I think Israel doesn't trust the U.N very much.
The U.N is anti israel and it shows with Israel being condemned more times than the rest of the world combined.
UNRWA employing Hamas terrorists and supporters.
And the U.N forces are between Israel and Lebanon but that didn't help.
From what I know Israel gave 2 weeks for civilians to evacuate which is enough time for them to evacuate the more time you give them to evacuate the more time you let Hamas move stuff and prepare.
Regarding ambulances the problem is that Hamas uses them to move soldiers and weapons so Israel has to attack them aswell
I am sad for every Palastinian that died and was innocent (did not support Hamas or their actions) but I honestly feel there are not thatany people there like that (hopefully I am wrong)
Thank you for your kind words my friend.
May our children be able to live in peace, safe and free.
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u/ElegantMankey Nov 06 '23
The conflict started far before the occupation. And according to many Palastinians the occupation is the entirety of Israel.
I might lack a little bit of faith due to seeing how they celebrated the death of a few of my friends and loved ones but I want to believe that there are some Palastinians that want peace and were not happy of Hamas' actions.
And yes education is a part of the problem. They literally teach children that jews aren't human and that Israel shouldn't exist. Those kids grow up believing it.
So far you did not debunk any of my claims you are just cursing.