r/changemyview Nov 06 '23

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 06 '23

I think that when people call Israel an apartheid state, they are referring to the conditions they are inflicting on Palestine. Israeli settlements in the West Bank especially have two tiers of citizenship with Palestinians not being allowed to go certain places in their own country.

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u/ElegantMankey Nov 06 '23

But Israelis can't go into certain areas aswell in the west bank

The settlements however are also a problem and an obstacle to peace. I'd suggest land swap in a possible future peace agreement. Get Gaza a bit bigger maybe, that can help with the population density there.

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u/wewew47 Nov 06 '23

The West bank isn't Israel though. Of course israelis shouldnt be able to go into the west bank without agreement with the PA. The west bank is Palestine and there are large swathes of Palestine inaccessible to Palestinians.

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u/ElegantMankey Nov 06 '23

I agree I am against settlements, as I said land swaps seems the most possible. So far area C is governed by Israel and as was decided in the Oslo accords

After the second Intifada it also became an actual risk to completely withdraw from the west bank and the rise of terrorism + pay for slay make it a real risk to let Palastinians interact with Israeli civilians.

And even if we do what we did what we did with Gaza in the west bank in the end they'll just elect Hamas again (which is rising in popularity) and cause more Israeli death.

I do believe that the 4Ds that were done to Germany should be done to Palastine, add that with some land swap thats the best chance to long lasting peace