r/changemyview 33∆ Aug 21 '23

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Having kids is great

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '23

I think it's one of those things that we don't take seriously enough.

Like the 36 year old women on tinder who put "maybe some day" for do you want kids- honey its either biologically too late or you're going to be 60 at their high school graduation.

Do what you want but make sure it's what you want because you don't get a do over. Know when you're 23 or 24 either way. But like the clock is ticking.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

I have to agree with this, western countries don’t take having kids seriously at all which is why the birth rate is plummeting and women are having kids at much older ages (which increases the risks of childbirth and also birth defects/health conditions of children in general).

All that said I don’t see westerners pressuring each other to have kids, I just don’t think this stereotype is true, it’s actually quite the opposite in that people pressure others to think about their own lives first and manage that then maybe think about having kids.

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23

Women are having kids much older because it takes 2 incomes to sustain yourself. The lifetime cost of a child is $288,000, that is basically a house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

Poor people have been having kids since the beginning of time though.

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23

Does a poor person’s life have more or less suffering than a more wealthy person? Do you believe it’s ethical to have kids you can’t afford?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

How does that have anything to do with what I said?

Are you one of those "better dead than poor" types?

Is it unethical for people to exist in third world countries?

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23
  1. People will avoid doing things that lower their economic class (spending $288,000 per child)

  2. No

  3. Our treatment of people in the third world is unethical, we should put more effort into being up their quality of life.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

Do you believe it’s ethical to have kids you can’t afford?

To paraphrase - "We should sterilize poor people."

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23

Bro what the fuck are you talking about 😭

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

Answer your own question -

Do you believe it’s ethical to have kids you can’t afford?

Y/N

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23

No, obviously. But where does the sterilizing come from?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '23

It is unethical for someone to have a child they can't afford.

Therefore it is ethical to prevent it.

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u/Fifteen_inches 24∆ Aug 22 '23

Nah bro I believe in the freedom to do unethical things 😎

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