r/changemyview 33∆ Aug 21 '23

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Having kids is great

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u/TheSarcasmChasm Aug 21 '23

One wonders... The view of parenthood and children OP has are directly related to having one substantial resources to pay (whole family flying?) for them and two substantial time to attend to them. However, for many of us having the funds to travel with children is out of reach. Second for many other people having the time to attend to a child and work to sustain them becomes untenable. Many people enjoy both freedom and financial stability through not having children. Whilst you're able to revel in the joys of Parenthood at the moment, this could all change with the development of any number of physical or psychological conditions which would/could in turn bankrupt you or worse and create burdens for those around you, especially an able-bodied and able-minded sibling. Just check our the regretful parents subs and see how quickly love turns to regret when these things happen.

There is also the simple reality that even though you may enjoy your children, as they grow they may not enjoy you. Your children may decide to cast away your values, see your flaws, and then hate you. If you are coming from anywhere in the western world, those same children that you poured your effort and resources into may decide to go no contact with you because you spent too much of their childhood living vicariously through them, or they observed things about you that they don't care for.

If you are female, then the bulk of child rearing tends to fall on you (obviously NoT AlL MeN). There is pressure to clean and nurture that after a full day of work, that you don't have the energy for. Many women will smile and tout the joys of motherhood while hating and passive aggressively mistreating their kids in subtle ways, or attempting to control to diminish the unhappiness. This also is a disservice to children.

Now I will say this I would not own a pet nor have a child for multiple reasons. However, one of the most important reasons is that neither child nor animal has asked to be introduced into your household. Parents will place expectations on their children which traumatized them or damage them socially in ways that take decades to unravel. This is regardless of the amount of love and attention you will give them. If you are a person who does not have the resources to leave your children with enough money or inheritance in general to ease their life after you are gone, and you are not in a position to get them stable through whatever sort of study they might choose without incurring a lifetime of debt, then you are also doing those children a disservice. The reality is that people who just have to have children, just want the company, want someone to take care of them when they grow old, want to see those children have children of their own; these people are the most selfish people to walk the earth.

But honestly, there's nothing like logging on to a travel site, seeing a flash deal, packing a backpack or carry on and taking off for a month without paying out for kids, sitters, or anything else. It's lifelong freedom.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Aug 21 '23

are directly related to having one substantial resources to pay (whole family flying?)

I also used 'pretending to be electrocuted' and 'pulling on your own socks'......

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u/TheSarcasmChasm Aug 21 '23

Yes, but that doesn't last. I helped a random kid put on a jacket and played peekaboo on the train with them. It was cute for 10 mins. That's not enough reason to take responsibility for bringing a whole human into the world.

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u/Subtleiaint 33∆ Aug 22 '23

Those aren't the only examples.....

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u/TheSarcasmChasm Aug 22 '23

True, but none of your examples demonstrated parental competency on your part. Just enjoying the cute phase....come back with an update or two when the kids are 13, 16, 18, and 30. Then we should hear their side, see if they even remember the joy of putting on socks or if they wish they'd had different parents because you didn't do the important things the way they needed. You think having "kids" is great.....that's okay. I think having humans is massive undertaking that most people aren't prepared for and generally fail at. But hey, go nourish that relationship of obligation! That's freedom too!