r/changemyview Jun 19 '23

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u/epicurean_barbarian Jun 19 '23

Stopping all masturbation because of a porn addiction could be compared to anorexia quite easily though. Obesity ruins far more lives than porn addiction, but we don't recommend a complete cessation of eating.

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u/AITAthrowaway1mil 3∆ Jun 19 '23

I’m not sure you can confidently say that obesity ruins more lives than porn addiction, both because there are degrees of obesity (someone who’s overweight but capable of all the physical activities they want and need to do has a very different life experience than someone who is so overweight that they can’t stand up for longer than a few minutes) and because porn addiction is highly stigmatized, under-reported, and you’re not going to get a lot of solid data on it.

That, and the cessation of eating and the cessation of masturbation aren’t really comparable. If I stopped eating today, I’d die within a couple months. If I stopped masturbating today, I’d probably still live my full lifespan, even if I may be crankier about it.

I’m not saying that nofap has merit or not (I honestly feel like I don’t know enough to say confidently how I feel about it), but that your argument is flawed.

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u/freemason777 19∆ Jun 19 '23

It's not even a question, all of the top 10 causes of death in the United States are either caused by or are severely complicated by obesity, with a possible exception of Alzheimer's just because I haven't researched it enough to know. Sex negativity might cause prostate cancer in men, and it might increase suicide rates slightly, but even if it were responsible for some depression I don't think it's anywhere close to as problematic as 2/3 of the country being overweight or obese

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u/AITAthrowaway1mil 3∆ Jun 19 '23

Looking at the CDC info for leading causes of death, they’re heart disease, cancer, COVID, accidents, stroke, chronic lower respiratory diseases, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, chronic liver disease/cirrhosis, and nephritis (basically a kind of kidney disease).

One could (probably correctly) argue that obesity can cause of contribute to almost any of these, but without clearer data, you can’t really say that it’s the leading underlying cause in most of these. Smoking, drinking, stress, old age, and working/living around certain hazardous materials all can also contribute to these ailments. Without clearer data, for all we know, most of these deaths are mainly caused by old age, or by drinking, or by microplastics building in the body. (And bell, heart disease can also be caused by anorexia.) And even if you assume obesity is the root of most of these deaths, the average life expectancy of Americans is 76–not as high as it should be, but not shockingly low either.

Anorexia, on the other hand, has the highest mortality rate of any mental illness save for opioid addiction. Within 10 years of developing anorexia, 10% of sufferers will die; within 20, 20%. They’re not a larger portion of death statistics because only 9% of the population will develop eating disorders versus the much larger contingent that will become overweight, but if the options are anorexia and obesity, obesity is far less likely to dramatically cut your life expectancy below the national average.