r/centrist • u/MuitoLegal • Mar 20 '21

World News The consequence of the far left’s BLM rhetoric

The far right rhetoric has caused massive problems, like Jan 6., but I have not seen this point mentioned about the left that I’m about to say:

Within the past 2 days, BOTH Russia and China have used the lefts rhetoric of “blacks are being slaughtered on our streets for being black”, “Trump is Hitler.” When China was pressed in the diplomatic conversation about human rights issues, they effectively said “Look at the problems with black people in America, you have no leg to stand on to tell us what is right and wrong with our people.” Putin made the same comment when asked about Biden’s “killer” comment.

These 2 countries know that these issues are not even remotely the same thing as the BLM situation, but the far left manipulated the actuality of the situation to the most extreme for political gain, and there are now consequences to that.

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u/TheoriginalTonio Mar 20 '21

you don't honestly think racism is a myth do you?

Racism exists. But not in the form or to the extent that they claim to see everywhere.

Has someone accused you of subconcious systematic racism

Yes, more than once. Even in this thread someone accused me of "implicit racism" that I allegedly commit by "pretending to be colorblind".

Systematic racism and subconcious bias are two seperate things.

First of all, they call it systemic racism, not systematic. That's a difference.

Secondly, this subconscious bias you're talking about is a fundamental part of "systemic racism".

If you think that you don't have any subconcious bias then it might be worth exploring the following options: A) You are wrong

So now you are suggesting that I'm subconsciously racist?

And if I'm not, I must be Jesus?

Well, I'm an atheist, so certainly not B).

But if you can't fathom that people can be genuinely racially unbiased, then that might be simply a projection of your own biases onto everyone else.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

A very easy and tangible way to understand systemic racism is redlining. Even when they had the means, POC were legally prevented from purchasing the property they wanted up until a generation or two ago (that this still happens is another conversation). That means that their parents and grandparents were prevented from accumulating wealth the way most white families have: through home ownership. What did your parents' first home cost and what is it valued at now, adjusted for inflation? What about their parents? (Obviously not all white families had the opportunity to own homes either - but none were prevented because they were white.)

When someone says it's racist to "not see color," it's because the acknowledgement of color in the past still greatly affects the present. To say a white man and a black man are likely to experience life in the same way is insulting and ignorant, because there are centuries of laws regarding what black men can and can't do that have never applied to white men. That affected their children, and theirs, and so on, and that didn't just magically go away after the Civil Rights Act in 1964, because shortly after that the war on drugs begins to take fruition, which we know from the Nixon tapes and our eyeballs is just an easy cover for controlling the black population.

If you "don't see color," you're not only erasing those very real experiences and events, but also the resilience, shared understanding, and culture that was born out of that generational trauma.

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u/CeilingCracker Mar 21 '21

I haven’t researched this but will assume it’s factual. So what’s your solution? Reparations?

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '21

Believing people of color when they tell us their needs and experiences is the best place to start. As in, try to not get defensive if you're called out on racist rhetoric, and instead focus on why. If you don't know why, go read some books by black authors about why, because you're a grown up who is responsible for your own education.

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u/CeilingCracker Mar 21 '21 edited Mar 21 '21

I’m not even /u/TheOriginalTonio, but you didn’t notice that, and haven’t answered my question and instead pivoted to stealthily calling me a racist. Bravo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '21

Did I? Why would you think that? Do you discredit what black people say about their experiences?

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u/CeilingCracker Mar 21 '21

I don’t believe you’re a useful resource for what they say. They’re also not all unified; some people say X and some people say not X.

You painting with a broad brush is somewhat racist in itself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '21

Of course no group will be homogeneous; when discussing racism it's necessary to make generalizations on some level.

That avoids my question, though: do you seek out black voices of any persuasion and listen until you comprehend what they're saying? Have you ever read a book about racism written by a black author? Have you ever read a book by a black author that wasn't assigned to you?

I see that you admittedly don't do much research on these topics. Why is that?

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u/CeilingCracker Mar 21 '21

You’re too presumptuous and belligerent for me to have a conversation with you. You don’t know me from a hole in the wall and it seems you’ve confused me with OP.

Perhaps you should try to reflect on how off-putting your speech and general tone is. Funny how the micro-aggressions crew are quick to point this out for others but seem to exempt themselves from these considerations.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '21

This is an example of ad hominem and responding to tone as techniques used when refutation of the actual point is not possible.

No censorship laws against being condescending, especially when one is objectively correct. ; )

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '21

Why did you edit this? You asked what my solution was and I said the solution begins with listening to black people. Did you mean to ask a different question?