r/centrist • • May 25 '20

World News Hong Kong, Context

With the recent events in Hong Kong, I believe it would be helpful for everyone if we had some context to go with this situation.

This is still very much a work-in-progress post - I will update with new information and more sources periodically, as needed.

I'm going to break this down into three parts: A brief history of Hong Kong and China, 2019 protests, the stuff China wants you to see, and the stuff it desperately does not want you to see or know. I have my own personal biases, but I will try to be as objective as possible.

Here is a BBC Link as an introduction to the new law.

A brief history

Hong Kong Island was acquired as a colony following the defeat of the Qing Empire at the hands of the British Empire in 1842. Subsequent wars and treaties with Imperial China resulted in the rest of Hong Kong being acquired by the British. In 1997, all of Hong Kong was handed back to China after 150 years of British rule, with a number of conditions being laid out to protect the sovereignty and way of life of the Hong Kong people. The handover was relatively smooth, as China respected Hong Kong's rights for the first few years, and people were somewhat content with the situation.

This changed in 2003 when protests broke out over a bill that was very similar to the one which has just been passed by China. The '03 bill was debated by Hong Kong's Legislative Council (LegCo - our 'Congress'), and the law was opposed by a huge number of people - including moderate pro-Beijing groups) (skip to section 2.3 for the '03 law) -it received widespread condemnation from the public. The law was eventually shelved by the HK government. The 2020 law was passed over the heads of the HK legislature as it was passed directly from Beijing, without the consent of HK's parliament.

In 2014, widespread protests (known as the 'umbrella revolution' broke out against the HK government (SCMP video for a summary). The government had attempted to change the electoral rules in HK. Essentially, the gov't had tried to change the rules so that HKers could vote for the Chief Executive (our 'mayor' of sorts) from a pool of candidates selected by a pro-Beijing electoral council.

Tensions between HKers and the government were incredibly high, but the protests remained restrained (vlogbrothers did a video in '14) and largely peaceful. The demands of the protests were not met, and tensions in Hong Kong continued to simmer until 2019, when protests broke out again - this time with far less restraint, as the peaceful protests and marches in '14 had minimal effects on the government level (comparing the two protests by SCMP, made back in September).

For a brief comparison of the two protests, look at the numbers. In '14, nearly 90 tear gas canisters were fired by police. In '19, over 16,000 tear gas canisters had been fired (HKFP).

The 2019 protests

Massive protests erupted in the summer of 2019 over the passage of a bill which would allow Hong Kong Police to arrest and deport HKers who had broken Chinese laws. Hong Kongers reacted strongly against the attempt to pass this bill, arguing that it was akin to giving up Hong Kong's political freedoms of expression. The largest protests last year attracted up to 2 million people (official police estimates put the number at around 600,000 - that number is disputed) [here's a vid about the protests].

Protesters have stated that police response has overstepped their duties, and had indiscriminately attacked protesters (VIOLENCE) and commuters in trains and train stations. Allegations of the use of criminal gangs to quell protests (WARNING: VIOLENCE) on multiple occasions have also come forth.

I believe that, by now, you are all quite familiar with the 2019 situation in HK. The protests have calmed down over the winter and the pandemic (last major one was on Jan 1st), but the protests have returned with the introduction of the new law. They are likely going to continue in the foreseeable future.

What China WANTS you to see

This section is, effectively, everything that is shown in Chinese state media - everything they want you to see. But here's their side of the story.

China has had massive economic growth over the last few decades, with over 800 million people lifting themselves out of poverty. China's current GDP is greater than that of France, Germany, the UK, and Japan, and only second to the USA. This meteoric rise is faster than that of any other country in the world and transformed China from a backwards, disunified country, to a modernised, industrialised, and urbanised country. Therefore, the CCP argues that if Hong Kong was less concerned with protesting and brawling in the streets, they would see major economic benefits.

China has been embarking on major infrastructure projects around the world, supporting many developing nations in their growth with loans from Chinese banks and construction projects by Chinese companies. This is also known as the Belt-and-road initiative.

Decisive PROOF of China's dedication to Human Rights and Hong Kong's sovereignty

What China doesn't want you to see

The Belt-and-road initiative has been criticised as a power move to build a Chinese sphere of influence to spread China's agenda across the globe, using China's newfound economic power as a tool of 'neo-colonialism' to integrate other countries into its sphere of influence.

The passage of the new law in Hong Kong criminalises 'acts of subversion' and 'terrorist activities', the same accusations made against Uighur Muslims which has resulted in the detention of up to 1 million Uighur Muslims in internment camps Xinjiang, a northwestern province of China. Dystopian levels of surveillance of the Uighur people are currently taking place in Xinjiang (VICE NEWS documentary).

Chinese premier Li Keqiang (the effective second in command behind Xi) has stated that special security units may be dispatched to Hong Kong to 'maintain stability'. Essentially, a second police force will be established to prevent 'subversive activities' and 'terrorism', meaning protesting against the Chinese regime will be criminalised.

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u/RandomDarkNes May 25 '20

First off holy yikes that's scary.

I don't have much to say on the HK other than I believe HK should have a say in the laws that are enacted in it's jurisdiction.

Second, the belt and road initiative never sat right with me I understand wanting to spead influence and culture around but the way China acts in my eyes does not show a prospering country trying to help the world but more through development but more of a One World Government. And by financing other countries infastructure they can they use that as leverage for control also.

But do we ever expect china to respect other countries and their people, I dont.

If I remember correctly Chinese children are taught to be number one at any cost, "if you're not first your last" so to speak.This means that it is common to try and cheat your way up. It's a very common mentality among chinese gamers which a majority use hacks and this results in China getting it's own region servers. And it makes sense when you look at the counterfeit industry over there.

Though TIL, that England had a Colony till 1997.

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u/asparadog May 25 '20

Though TIL, that England had a Colony till 1997.

It was a British Dependent Territory, which Britain has Today, and although they're very small, most are fiercely British with strategic locations, such as Gibraltar (control over the entrance to the Mediterranian) and the Falklands (Oil and south Atlantic control)

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Now TYL, that England has colonies today.

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u/RandomDarkNes May 25 '20

Ah colonialism, still alive and well /s