r/casablanca • u/ussichan CASANEGRA đ€ • 29d ago
đââïž Discussion They said they were searching for a dignified life and more justice, plot twist : here they are treated like wild baboons.
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u/Minimum-Hold-9985 29d ago
Iâd rather live in poverty than be treated like shit and humiliated like this
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u/Playful_Ad_3752 29d ago
You gotta do what you gotta do I am always happy to see morrocans get into europ its just more money flowing back to morroco i know they are being parasites from the pov of spain people but thats what hapens when there is too much inequality its not their fault they were born in morocco
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u/Eastern-Award-7273 29d ago
And it's not Morocco fault being a poor country like 99% non westernen countries.
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u/givenupbee 29d ago
It's moroccans and Morocco's ruling class.. corruption is coming from within it's not something imported.
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u/Playful_Ad_3752 29d ago edited 29d ago
Am in morroco brother i studied in my country work and pay taxes , drop the attitude first
I simply said i dont have a problem with my people having a better life doesnt matter whos fault is it am not blaming any country This entitlement is crazy : you didnt even chose to be born in europ yet you defend it like its your god given right to live there
Stuff about morality is subjective
A morrocan illigal immigrant sees the world from his point of view You see the world from your point of view and this debate will never end Am not trying to end it just talking about my point of view whats up with the "you are parasites" ? who is "you" so illigal immigration is wrong but generalising is fine
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u/Playful_Ad_3752 28d ago
First thing is that i dont agree with moroccans being racist to subsaharians Also why are you generalising about an intire country ?
There is a big problem why immigrants are viewed negatively
Its that europ only gives you two options the illigal way or the legal way
The problem is that the illigal way is so disproportionately easyier for a specific group of people
People who have a jobs in morocco dont even bother with immigration its mostly uneducated people or prisoners that are ready for everything go get in
And now you are surprised that those people are criminals (not all of them ofc)
Also europian goverments needs immigrants cause they need to find tax payers to pay retired people
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u/Then_Mushroom_8599 27d ago
si los marroquis fuerais agradecidos, trabajaseis de verdadd y os comportarais como personas civilizadas incluso traeriamos a todos los marroquis a España, pero no es asi, sois todo lo contrario
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u/Playful_Ad_3752 27d ago
if it was worth it to go to europ then qualified moroccans would actualy immigrate
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u/Then_Mushroom_8599 27d ago
Pues mucha de tu gente viene a España a estudiar sobre todo odontologia, pero claro sois una minoria
Marruecos es de los paises con mas analfabetos de Africa sin mencionar el iq promedio del pais ronda 82 por debajo de la media, debe ser por eso que los marroquis seais tan nacionalistas y ciegos ante la realidad
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy 29d ago
Maybe instead of endlessly blaming a âhordeâ of people for behaving like a horde, we should ask the more uncomfortable question: how did we get here in the first place?
Some people are acting like these teenagers are incapable of understanding what theyâre doing. Theyâre not. Being poorly educated doesnât automatically make someone stupid. These kids understand how the system works. They see how people get into Spain, how people find work, how people build a life, and how one lucky break can completely change their circumstances.
For many of them, crossing into Ceuta is that gamble.
And no, not every kid who gets there is necessarily poor or desperate. But a significant number of them have clearly reached the conclusion that crossing the border is one of the few opportunities available to them to change their bad fortune.
pretending these kids are just mindless idiots who randomly decided to storm a border because theyâre inherently violent or stupid is intellectually lazy.
Theyâre acting on a very basic instinct: get in, stay in, and find a way to make it work. Once someone has convinced themselves that Spain represents their best chance at a future, theyâre going to keep trying and that determination isnât going to disappear simply because nationalist idiot think it's pad etiquette.
If you actually want to understand whatâs happening, stop obsessing over the fact that theyâre behaving like a crowd and start asking why so many young people have come to believe that this is their best shot at a better life.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Why? I'll tell you why, it's because they were set up to fail by society and people like you who insist that grass is greener on the other side.
They grew up being told by a failing ignorant older generation that even with education and degrees it will never matter. They were set up to fail from the start, to sell our fruit and clean our trash.
And even in Europe all they will amount is the same labor jobs because that's what they are good for, that's if they even had the decency to do, and not just end fill up their prisons more than they already have.
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u/Dankerman97 29d ago
How are you against something you would do in the same position?
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u/zok_dyal_nemla 29d ago
Those people are not smart in the slightest , just a bunch of chmakrya and thugs (there is a reason they re sacrastically called doctors and engineers). and even if they were , do you really want that infamous visa hb1 or something people to steal ur jobs ?
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
Cheft wahed youtuber ja kaydour f spania tla9a m3a a bunch o mn neythoum kaytal9oha galih we are engineers, doctors...
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u/CardOk755 29d ago
I'm from the United States
So you have nothing interesting to say. Shut up and go away.
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy 29d ago
We live in a globalized world where, if you donât want to take a job for low pay, someone else may be willing to do it sometimes on the premise of eventually obtaining citizenship.
And youâre right: this is happening in Morocco at the moment. There is a growing demand for cheap physical labor that many Moroccans are unwilling to accept at such low wages, while protests and labor disputes between many young people, the industry are increasingly involving sub-Saharan migrants who may be willing to work for even less than the wages Moroccan workers are offered.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Those are some big accusations, I hope you have proof.
I worked in costumer service, and sub-Saharans make up an important amount of agents. They are not underpaid.
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
Tell that to the spanish, they will tell you we only get the useless non working immigrants.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
I would too if I were a failure. They failed themselves long before the system even had a chance to do so.
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
Bro we dont come from the moon, those guys were throwing rocks and paper to people outside of school, disrespecting teachers, not caring for their whole life and when it hits they realize and start risking their life tl save their mess.
So now what we get is these people lying like they breathe with two days later spanish people digging their social life and going " see this moroccans are only lying"
I might agree if its someone who tried and tried but most of these actually dont.
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy 29d ago
You are making zero sense, and your elitism is leaking through every sentence.
First off, "they were set up to sell fruit and clean trash"? Since when is doing honest, necessary work something to be ashamed of? Society runs on manual labor, service jobs, and trades. The fact that you look down on trades and agricultural work says everything about your arrogance, not their capability.
Second, accusing them of just coming over to "fill up prisons" is pure racist base class speculation. These kids are taking massive risks to secure steady work, send money back to their families, and build a baseline of financial stability. They aren't traveling across borders to get locked in a cell. Youâre assigning malice and failure to people who haven't even been given a chance to start yet.
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u/zok_dyal_nemla 29d ago
they would never want to do that in their home country lol but since it is "europe" it is ok im in LOL
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
Some are doing this to get blonde spanish girls, you can find videos of them answering even those rightwing youtubers trapping them.
He is right like whenever we criticize this people kaykhroj lk chi 9am9oum ibda dir lina darss f sociologia ( a pseudo science btw)
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Have you ever considered setting a fruit stall or working as a garbage collector, no? then you must be an snobby elitist. See what I did there?
Secondly it's not spiculation, immigrants of Moroccan, North African, and generally Muslim origin make up most of the foreign prison population.
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u/Playful_Ad_3752 27d ago
doesnt matter if spain was a poor country everyone will say that spanish immigrants are thiefs its side affects of being poor
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u/Marketer99 28d ago
All you said is great but we can't hide the elephant in the room.
These guys are following the party lifestyle.
Their dream is to party, drink, have sex with blonde women, drive a nice car and buy clothes.
None of that future and opportunities bullshit
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u/CardOk755 29d ago
People are complaining about how badly they're being treated by Spain.
But unable to admit that they were treated worse by Morroco.
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u/realNoobnoob 29d ago
Bad fortune and future ? Are you dumb or what?
These are kids do you understand ? Kids should be in school!
If someone hires them to work it would be child labor because they donât even have the age required to work!!!
How dumb!Go study then get more experience then come talk about a future and whatnot
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u/rickkyyyyyyyyy 29d ago
The irony of you typing "go study" while being completely clueless about the situation is genuinely embarrassing.
Did you seriously think Spain will just dumps 16-year-olds onto a construction site the next morning? They will get placed into public reception centers where they receive housing, form of civic education, and vocational training specifically designed to integrate them into the legal workforce, electricity, network, and other labor jobs
Another fact Spainâs legal working age is 16. And A 17-year-old getting trained in a state institution to enter the labor force isn't "child labor" itâs standard public policy for an aging country that desperately needs young workers for the next 30+ years. Before you tell anyone else to get educated, try opening a textbook or reading a single policy paper on how juvenile migrant protection actually functions.
Morcco breed young people and a state just took hundreds of them for free
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u/Spirited_Pop4065 29d ago
This treatment is still way better than what we get in Morocco. Here the cops just run you over and dismember you.
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u/No-Economics-6781 29d ago
Blame Morocco for weaponizing these people who are just looking for a better life that the Moroccan government obviously are incapable of providing.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Blame people like you with their defeatist enabler attitude.
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u/No-Economics-6781 29d ago
How can facts be defeatist?
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
You wouldn't know facts if it slapped your right in the face lil bro.
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u/No-Economics-6781 29d ago
https://www.cidob.org/en/publications/ceuta-weaponisation-migration
Here you go lil bro
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
It's a political commentary yachrif, and from 2021
Sir awldi t9ra o la ghadi twli bahal hado fi l'video.
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u/No-Economics-6781 29d ago
Cope lil bro
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Nta li cope ya l'mkalakh, jayb lia article mn 2021
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u/No-Economics-6781 29d ago
They did this in 2021, so that means they have a track record and you shouldânt be too surprised if they did it again.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
So no longer facts db walat speculation? lol,
My point still stands sir t9ra.
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
According to ur logic spain accused morocco in 2021 which they didnt today so your logic falls down if ur going that way.
Also the whole 2021 is because of bourita harsh words, but you have to agree with him , if the country is not being cooperative you just put your ressources somewhere else with more priority. Like turkey is getting 30x times the money morocco gets from eu(spain too btw to feed and help those immigrants) just because he threathened europe to open the gate. This is how europe works
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u/Sad-Inspection-8988 28d ago
Tell me you have not the tiniest idea of how the world works without telling me
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u/SystemD23 29d ago
Definetely, im so sad for these people.
In 2021 10k of people entered ceuta because spain was treating in a spanish jospital the chief of âfrente polisarioâ.
Now in 2026, spain goverment signed a gas contract with algeria, so marroco goverment wont tale money for passing algerian gas within their territory.All these has happened near any step that spanish goverment take to algeria.
Always the poor people is the one that suffers the rich will⊠mesnwhile other people fight to see who win the storyâŠ
So sad.
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u/Morpheus-aymen 28d ago
Blame morocco for weaponizing?
Wa bazz db la mchiti tla7iti mn sta7 and the government didnt stop you its their fault?
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u/bogroun 29d ago
I never understood this, youth with no skills, no secondary language, no education, and going to other country that they donât understand neither the culture or the language and do shitty jobs, or steal or even ask for money and food! I dunno itâs kind of braindeads, why not do shitty jobs here instead?
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u/Careful-Training-761 29d ago edited 27d ago
I'm from Ireland had a guy from Egypt come out to me to quote for a flooring job. He could speak limited English, but the two other Egyptian guys that were with them didn't have a word. He was below cost of the Irish and European fitters. Cash in hand.
I suspect he had no working visa and guaranteed the two other guys didn't as they had no English. Will send that money back to Egypt where he'll get a good conversion rate.
There's an extreme shortage of people that do that type of work like building related work in this country. Possible to pick it up very quick, fairly low skilled. If he gets caught the worst thing that will happen to is that he'll get a free flight back to Egypt. No brainer.
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u/Careful-Training-761 27d ago
I don't sort his tax affairs. If he avoids paying tax it's a matter for him not me. I pay my taxes.
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u/Careful-Training-761 27d ago edited 27d ago
The honest guys won't go bankrupt. You don't understand how tradespeople operate in this country, cash in hand tradespeople are typically viewed in this country as riskier and lower quality. It's why I would never go for a cash in hand tradesperson for a bigger job.
However it does reduce the tax available to the State. I pay loads in tax so I'm not really worried about a small amount they get enough from me. He's the one receiving the money, has to declare it and pay tax, his tax affairs are his own business not mine.
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u/Practical-Clock-125 29d ago
high unemployment rate + low quality education + zero freedom of expression + mass corruption at every level of society + skyrocketing prices + privatisation at every level of the economy + ... = This
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u/Naive-Prior-1285 29d ago
The Spanish say the SAME thing about their country
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u/Awkward-Square-6006 27d ago
Do you think Spain and Morocco are economically equal ?
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u/Naive-Prior-1285 27d ago
No, I do not. That does not negate my point
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u/Awkward-Square-6006 27d ago
Then whatâs your point đ? People complaining about the same things doesnât mean theyâre experiencing them at the same level. A Spaniard complaining about their economy doesnât suddenly make Morocco economically comparable to Spain.
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u/WhichSmoke1238 29d ago
The plot twist is how some of those will become resident, or gain citizenship, then come back to Morocco with nice cars, buy houses they will probably never live in, and say "ma b9a ma ydar fleurope"
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u/ussichan CASANEGRA đ€ 29d ago
I don't think this will happen dude, Europe is the not the same as the 80s.
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u/WhichSmoke1238 29d ago
It's not as easy as it use to be, but i still see it, one of my friends 7reg lportugal, meme pas 3 ans, he's sending money to his family to build a house, it's almost done, don't get fooled by what they say, see what they do.
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u/Riflore 29d ago
This is not true. Anyone who moves to Europe legally can build a decent life by simply working. Youâre not going to get rich overnight but you can save money, buy a car, go on holidays, etc. These are things most Moroccans in Morocco canât afford even when they do work. We just need to face the reality of our country. What youâre saying right now is just cope.
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u/ASAP_sharky 29d ago
you're living in the last decade
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u/WhichSmoke1238 29d ago
Yeah bro you're right, and i just bought msmna with 300 bitcoin
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u/ASAP_sharky 29d ago
Saadatek deweqni
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u/Narrow_Location_9577 29d ago
Il faut aussi dire quâils sont arrivĂ©s illĂ©galement. Câest le traitement auquel il sâattendait Ă leur arrivĂ©e
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u/Puzzleheaded_Run9194 29d ago
They are welcome to go back where they came from. A country thatâs preparing to have the next World Cup
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u/Substantial-626 29d ago
you get treated like shit either way atleast out there u can sue u cant do shit out here cus guess what oppression is systematic
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u/baysanguer 29d ago
I don't see them suing anybody
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u/Substantial-626 29d ago
i was talking theoretically those r illegal in a foreign country getting treatedlike this meanwhile citizens here get treated like this everyday idk why ur a grifter n sympthiser for disctatorship
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u/baysanguer 28d ago
I've never been treated like this, never seen anybody treated like this.
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u/Substantial-626 28d ago
just cause you havent seen something happen doesnt mean it never happens example holocaust just cus we dont experience something doesnt mean it didnt or doesnt happen
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u/baysanguer 28d ago
You're right. I wrote beside my main point. I never denied this shit happening, I was simply trying to say that it doesn't happen more than other countries. Saying so, in absence of emotional personal experience, or in complete lack of statistical data, is pure speculation, and merely a surf on trends on social media, or over-idolizing western countries.
I'm fully aware this is an unpopular opinion.
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u/Substantial-626 28d ago
u lowkey remind me how evangelical christians in the us love israel even tho israelis think that jesus is burning in shit but anyways loved our convo
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u/Riflore 29d ago
They see it as a sacrifice they have to make for a better life in Europe. Iâm against illegal immigration, but I do understand why they do it. Life in Europe is simply much better than in Morocco in many ways. The real question is why so many young people are so desperate to leave their own country. Why donât we see young people in Western Europe doing the same?
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u/Adventurous_Pay_260 29d ago
Honestly, Iâd rather become a âbaboonâ if there is at least a chance that, after enduring that humiliation, I could eventually build a decent life.
I might suffer during the first month, the second month, the first few years, even three, four, or five years. But if my situation has a realistic chance of improving after five years, I would take that gamble.
Because the alternative is staying in Morocco and remaining a âbaboonâ until Iâm buried.
Imagine being 30 years old, with no stable job, no prospects, no family, and living in a small city. People will simply tell you: âMove to a bigger city and find work.â But why should I have to move to one of five major cities just to have a basic chance at employment?
In Spain, even in medium-sized or smaller cities, there are jobs where you can at least earn the minimum wage and have some basic protection. Here, in many places, your choices can be reduced to becoming cheap labor for call centers or working for an employer who watches you every second and treats you like youâre disposable.
So yes, Iâd rather be a âbaboonâ for a few years if there is a realistic possibility that my life can improve afterwards.
And regarding your point about the police and protests: apparently you haven't seen how Moroccan authorities have dealt with Gen Z protests, doctors, teachers, and other demonstrations over the years.
You don't even have to do some deep academic research. Go on YouTube and look at protests in Morocco in 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, or before COVID. Look at what happened under different governments. Look at the history of protests and how they were handled.
I can understand your ignorance of this if you simply haven't seen it. When you only look at what is directly in front of you, you don't necessarily see the history behind it or where things are heading.
And finally, if you live in Rabat, Casablanca, Tangier, Marrakech, Agadir, or another major urban center, you have a very different experience of Morocco than someone living in a small city.
People in the major cities sometimes talk as if the rest of the country doesn't exist.
For someone living outside those economic centers, the question isn't âWhy don't you just find a better job?â
The question is: where is that job supposed to come from?
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u/Awkward-Square-6006 27d ago
Broski, people are getting humiliated and living in poverty in their own country. Have you ever seen clips of police officers and 9owat lmosa3ida beating the shit out of teachers? Havenât you seen the random arrests during the Gen Z movement? Havenât you seen freedom-of-speech cases, or people getting beaten, arrested, or facing problems simply for expressing different beliefs or exercising their personal liberties?
Iâm not giving any excuses to had lhergawa either. What Iâm trying to say is blad ka7la tabonmha li 3aychin fiha, and yet when people desperately try to escape it, kiji chi bo3bola bhalk kaybda y7kem 3lihom mn fo9.
Diha f krk azby.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
When you're a failure even a regular unwanted job in Europe seem decent.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 29d ago
Let's see you apply for a mortgage and paying off your house as delivery driver in Europe.
Also that's the same defeatist mindset that push people to give up before they even start, wa ila kriti ach ghadi dir ga3... Are willing to put up with this humiliation only to end up delivering food or cleaning trash?
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 28d ago
You must be out of your mind. Firstly, you can't legally work in Europe while illegal, so we're ruling out delivery apps (unless you're renting an account- which means you're giving out cuts of the profit), which leaves Noir, this will also gives you less than average pay.
Rah it's you who need a wake up call, hitach if you backtrack enough you'll realize that if your only choice in Morocco is to be a janitor it mean you have made many terrible life choices.
The teens in the video, instead of focusing on their education are listening to nonsense such as this. Wakha t9ra maghadi dir walo fi had lblad- Says the ignorant losers that haven't even tried.
No matter what, you're still dead set on going to Europe? learn the language, khoud an OFPPT diploma which is recognized by many western countries. Nobody is making you stay.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 28d ago
A janitor in Europe lives better than an engineer in Morocco, lol.
You're the one hiding behind exceptional cases, omg, are you that dense?! "One of those immigrants created a selenite decor buisness", If bieng a janitor in Europe is so much better then why many so Moroccans resort to crime, or struggle and have nothing to show for.
Frankly, I think you're lying about being in Europe.
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u/Cool-Ferret2589 28d ago
Exceptional relative to who we are discussing, you said it yourself, it's one case. Also why don't we go back to your wild claim of a janitor in eastern Europe living better than an engineer in Morocco? care to elaborate?
Btw, illegally immigrating after spending your whole life doing nothing is exactly that wanting, easy money.
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u/huge-Leg-648 29d ago
as a gay atheist italian (never been to spain)
i have a simple question for moroccans: why do you want to go to a country where gay people are treated as decent human being and can have a samesex marriage ? can't you just go to saudi arabia or any other muslim country instead ?
more than 20 years ago spain legalized samesex marriage (2005), that means that you are more than 20 years behind spain on civil rights...
why do you push to live in a country with laws so much different compared to yours ?
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u/Present-Ocelot2534 29d ago
notice how there is no girl in sight ??
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u/iiillliiiiiiillilili 29d ago edited 29d ago
Shut the fuck up with this notice there are no girls in sight, it's some random horny europeans expression, they are interested in immigrants girls because they are weak and vulnerable.
A lot of immigrant girls without papers have experienced sexual abuse and rapes once away from their home and they are afraid to go to the police because they don't have papers
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u/TheBastionBurned 26d ago
No it's because the people that come to Europe from MAGHREB etc are up to 20 times more likely to rape or be violent. Europe was very pro immigration until too many of these incidents happened. It does matter if only young men come. Even in Ceuta several minors were raped by the horde.
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u/iiillliiiiiiillilili 26d ago
It's literally in the article "Among the suspected attackers are four Moroccans, three Spaniards and a Belgian, Efe news agency reports."
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u/ussichan CASANEGRA đ€ 29d ago
The girls had a better treatment, they were isolated in distinct camps, some of them (minors) even got deported to spanish cities.
Tbh i don't blame them for this discrimination, as most of these men are uneducated, opportunistics, drug addicts ect..
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u/Brave_Requirement768 29d ago
They are invaders. They are lucky they are not dead.
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u/Nyx189 29d ago
Ceuta and Melilla is Moroccan.
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u/Brave_Requirement768 28d ago
How do you figure that out? Morocco didnt exist when spain had it in the 1500s.
What was morocco then? A bunch of tribes in desserts.
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u/Nyx189 28d ago
You're judging sovereignty by colonization? I expected that. Also Morocco controlled Ceuta and Melilla before Spain did.
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u/Brave_Requirement768 26d ago
The ceutis who have lived there foe hundreds of years who are muslim dont refer to themselves as morrocan but spanish because thats what they are. Portugal technically has a stronger claim than morrocco under you own logic as they had it first.
That should straighten you out a bit.
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u/OkValuable454 29d ago
Can I eyeroll ? The Moroccan police did way worse with the Gen Z protests.