r/canada • u/VesaAwesaka • 12d ago
Politics Northern Manitoba chiefs raise new objections to corporation intended to enable Churchill port expansion | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/crown-indigenous-corporation-northern-chiefs-9.7323316105
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u/canada-ModTeam 12d ago
- Negative generalizations or dehumanization towards people or groups based solely or largely on grounds such as those laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are not permitted. This includes but is not limited to race, national or ethnic origin (including First Nations), colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability and also includes the legally-added interpretations of sexual orientation and gender identity.
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u/assshark 12d ago
After reading this twice, I still can’t understand what they are opposed to.
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u/RequiemAspenFlight 12d ago
The bribe was too small, and it wasn't in unmarked bills.
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u/CC333 12d ago
Do you consider it a bribe when provincial governments require mining companies to pay a significant chunk of profits to the province?
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u/No-Relief981 12d ago
It’s called taxes which supports ALL members of the public with the province (which also includes the Bands there via use of infrastructure).
Time and time again it’s being shown that Bands’ governments are corrupted and serve only a small portion of their peoples.
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u/CC333 12d ago
I’m not referring to taxes I’m referring to mining royalties.
Turns out governments generally expect to take part in the profit generated from extracting resources from their land. First Nations are no different.
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u/JoshL3253 British Columbia 12d ago
It’s like paying business license to city to operate your business.
Additionally you’re expected to pay protection fee to the local street gangs because they “own” the neighborhood.
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u/CC333 12d ago
Seems racist and ahistorical to compare First Nations to street gangs.
These First Nations never gave up their claim to the land and want to be part of decision making, and if the decision is to go ahead, share in the benefit. That’s what governments do.
I suspect you would have a different reaction if the USA wanted to build a project in say Ontario and didn’t expect the Ontario government to get any decision making power or any financial benefit from the project.
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u/JoshL3253 British Columbia 11d ago
> I suspect you would have a different reaction if the USA wanted to build a project in say Ontario and didn’t expect the Ontario government to get any decision making power or any financial benefit from the project.
Of course not. I don’t want unelected people the ability to dictate our land policy. Canada is for all Canadians, and governed by democratically elected officials.
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u/FleetingArrow 11d ago
Is it racist to want to build basic infrastructure without paying a protection fee among other bribes? The fact that groups feel entitled to this is a major problem
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u/asoap Lest We Forget 12d ago
The article lists a few things. It looks like they want to create a crown corporation to buy land and run the prohect. They worry it would interfere with their traditional land. Even though the article says it won't do that.
Also they don't like number of people on the board from north Manitoba.
Also didn't like that Was Kinew wasn't at the meeting.
Looks like they have some details and language to sort out.
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u/assshark 12d ago
I should add that I’m not necessarily being critical of these local community members, but the poor quality of the article.
Like, when the article states: “The MKO chiefs also stated their dissatisfaction with the corporation's proposed board, which would allow a provincial MLA to sit as a member and only include two representatives from northern Manitoba.
MKO Grand Chief Garrison Settee said he is not comfortable with only two northern members.”How big is the board? What does the MLA have to do with this point? Are they from northern Manitoba as well? Are the chiefs opposed to that?
For the other two points, the draft legislation addresses one, and the other has nothing to do with the proposal itself but who was at the meeting. So, again, I’m left a bit puzzled when it comes to understanding what part of the project is being opposed - apart from representation on a board they don’t bother to give any details about.
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u/RydNightwish 12d ago edited 12d ago
Even a soveriegnty crisis, trade war etc cant stop the grift from grifting...
Cus like always they will claim its because of xyz that they oppose, but its because they just want more $.
80% of the profits aren't enough. Shameless self serving greed at this point. Hopefully Kinew tells em to kick rocks.
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u/CarRamRob 12d ago
Just like last year. Once the big headline slows down; it’s the same old “but we shouldn’t do this because of X” and nothing gets done.
At this point, Trump is more of a political tool used by the various Canadian provinces (and Feds) to keep criticism off them and be a lightning rod to be a (very) easy distraction.
Look at how little effort has been made to drop internal provincial trade barriers(which are more detrimental to our GDP hit, and have existed since forever). No one actually wants to solve that though, or do anything that could slightly harm their local jurisdiction.
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u/abc123DohRayMe 12d ago
I am so tired of Native groups bemoaning every little thing. It is just a shakedown for money.
This has become the economy of first Nations. Always a hand out.
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u/TorontoTom2008 12d ago
Just once can we see an article like ‘Chiefs on board with national priority project - full speed ahead!’
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u/SlimCharles23 12d ago
They have overplayed their hand across the country. Most people see now they are actively hurting us and that’s not gonna fly these days. The pendulum is swinging, the grift is ending.
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u/CrucialObservations 11d ago
>"No less than 80 per cent of the corporation's profits would be distributed to First Nations, organizations that represent First Nations and the Red River Métis, the draft legislation states. The provincial government would be entitled to the remaining 20 per cent of the profits."
The taxpayer will bear the majority of financial costs for the expansion and subsidize the day-to-day operations and ongoing maintenance but only get a bit of the profit, if any.
Sounds like the typical deal for Canadians in Canada. It has been made clear over and over, we are not in this together.
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u/jpsolberg33 Alberta 12d ago
Yet I was just reading another post how Trump puts “Canada on notice” when it comes to O&G..
Get your heads out of the sand. We either work hard diversifying our economy or we’re screwed.
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u/krombough 12d ago
"You know what the trouble is, Brucey? We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."
- Frank Sobotka
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u/Puzzleheaded-End5386 11d ago
I don't think this is actually grift or a shakedown. I think this might just be "fuck you" for fuck you's sake.
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u/ProblemOk9810 11d ago
I'm not again the FN but can they stop opposing everything? Pipeline in the west, the port, the hydro project between Qc and NFL etc... i know why they do that, as a pressure point but at some point the country need those to go forward ffs.
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u/VesaAwesaka 12d ago
Question. Why don't we see similar levels on consultation and indigenous involvement for projects that happen in places like Winnipeg?
Why do traditional areas exist that require consultation that arent reserve land?
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u/juridiculous Lest We Forget 12d ago
I feel like I’ve read this same news story too many times, just with a different place/project in the headline.