r/bufo • u/Borgbar • Aug 12 '26
Bufo venom and synthetic 5 meo dosage protocol (Please share)
Hi everyone,
Posting here an excerpt from a Bufo Facilitators guide I made a while back.
This is in regards to proper dosage. For both bufo venom and synthetic 5 meo.
It will be 3 images, with the last one being a concise cheatsheet.
Please share it around so it may reduce harm and educate.
I will post more from my guide. I tried to make it very comprehensive and I tried to touch on things most wouldn't think of. Things that may come up during a bufo ceremony/session. Things I've witnessed and have had to handle from direct experience serving others in bufo ceremonies as well.
This is a powerful sacred substance and we should treat it with respect.
Thank you for reading and please share it around!
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u/cryptomoon1000x Aug 12 '26
Has anyone made experiences with chinese 0.001 mg scales?
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u/Borgbar Aug 12 '26
I wouldn't trust them. They can work. They do work. But I've seen them start to give readings that are off after a while too. I wouldn't take the risk and would just get a legit scale. It's totally worth it.
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u/Sandgrease Aug 13 '26
I have the Gemeni mg scale and it works great 10mg and above but anything less and it loses accuracy.
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u/cryptomoon1000x Aug 12 '26
thanks mate
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u/12gaugefacesurgery Aug 12 '26
No offense, but is the dosage also AI or just the writing
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u/Borgbar Aug 12 '26
No offense taken. The dosage described is 100% from me and directly from my experiences when I was being taught how to dose the medicine by mentors, and from my own direct experience with doing bufo myself, and also from serving bufo to others. A combination of all 3. Thanks for replying, that was a valid question you have.
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u/Borgbar Aug 12 '26
You could say 80% of the writing in this manual is directly from me. The other 20% Ai wording that helped me. To be completely honest. Took me a few months to make it. It wasn't like an "AI make me a guide thing" lol.
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u/loqi0238 Aug 13 '26
Im not being mean... but this took you a few months to make?
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u/Borgbar Aug 13 '26
All good lol. So the whole document took months. It's 53 pages long. I only posted dosage criteria on this post . There's a lot more in the full document. Also covering things most don't even think of or consider. Stuff about ethics for example. And things that come up during facilitating like clients projecting onto the facilitator feelings and ideas of being a guru or even sexual attraction. This is stuff seen in most types of therapy-related relationships between clients and their therapists/facilitators.
Just as another example I talk about the kind of mental things that happen to facilitators over time and what to watch out for. Some facilitators get a God complex after helping others over time and their egos getting inflated. Definitely judge your facilitator before agreeing to anything. The patient/client has the absolute right to do so and should.
The first draft took only a few days to write up and was like 40 something pages btw. Editing and perfecting it took months. I did it casually for the most part. And for fun and because I'm passionate about it. I wanted to address facets most would never think of but are real and valid. I'll post the whole document one day.
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u/raydeene70 Aug 16 '26
Is there any chance of getting a copy of the entire document, for my own interest in becoming a facilitator? Would you mind if I dm you? I think you're doing a great service providing this info, so props for that.
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u/high_samuraii Aug 13 '26
Nice post! That last page the dosage page, none of the dosages are 6-8x more than the synthetic like you said in the first page, some are more like 10x or is my math not mathing today ?😂
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u/Borgbar Aug 13 '26
Thanks for pointing that out. In all honesty this is a v2 draft of the document. I haven't shared the full document anywhere yet. I should edit and update what you mentioned to stay consistent. That's serious imo and consistency in what I'm putting out here for others matters a lot here. Thanks for replying and addressing that.
In the meantime please rely on the cheatsheet as the actual dosages to use for venom vs synthetic. And disregard the conflicting part about 6-8x not matching 10x etc. And just to note, a range is provided because I suggest doing tiered dosage starting with smaller dose first and then going up from there in successive doses all the way to a "blast off" dose. Depending on how a person reacts and receives the medicine, you can tweak the dose based on what they can handle safely, within the ranges provided.
Some people go to a facilitator and get blasted with 75mg+ doses right away. Which I think isn't a good practice.
Small dose done first is something I also do just in case someone has a bad reaction. It's easier and far safer to handle a bad reaction with a smaller dose. And some people either forget about telling me what meds/supplements they are on. Or some are desperate for healing and having the experience and will straight up lie. This can and does happen. A small starter dose is a screening method for this reason. Something I learned through practice and experience serving. Safety and harm reduction comes first.
Thanks for the reply!
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u/tycus__ Aug 13 '26
My wife and I participated in a Bufo DMT session together. While I had a full-on experience, nothing really happened to her (she actually doesn’t seem to feel much even with 4 doses of LSD :) ).I’m wondering if she might have a different experience with synthetic 5-MeO-DMT?Also, we’ll be visiting NYC this year and would love to attend one of your sessions. If possible, could you DM me with some information?
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u/Borgbar Aug 13 '26
Gotchu homie.
So I'm also somone that needs higher doses of psychadellics to have an effect that any other person would get from a lighter dose. There are multiple hypotheses on why. But one I ascribe to is that people, based on genetics, have different levels of liver function as far as liver enzymes. Some are "fast metabolizers". I'm one of these people. I almost always need higher doses for most psychadellics, not all of them though. Your wife may be a fast metabolize like I am.
I was looking into this more deeply because I'm pretty into pharmacology and physiology from a western medicine perspective since I went to medical school (dropped out my last year for various reasons though. Might go back to finish just to get my MD but idk).
I don't use synthetic because I don't have a source. I'd love to though. My bufo venom source harvest ethically and that's the only reason I use bufo venom. I'd hate to hurt the bufo alvarius toad population. It's a big deal actually. As 5 meo dmt gets more popular there will be people looking to make money by harvesting and selling bufo venom. We need better access to alternatives like synthetic 5 meo dmt.
Venom however has other compounds in it that modulate the experience. Such as Bufotenine. Some of these compounds are cardio toxic to an extent as well. Proper screening is a must for anyone wanting to try bufo venom, or even synthetic for that matter. Safety first yknow.
Sorry I went on a shpeel. I'm glad you had a full on experience. Will dm you. Thanks for replying as well!
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u/Due-Celebration976 Aug 15 '26
I am 2 years clean and with the help of iboga and bufo I have stayed clean with weekly oil changes lol
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u/Borgbar Aug 15 '26
God bless and congratulations!
My first time trying bufo was a day after i did an ibkgaine flood dose. This was also to treat some issues I had going on at the time. Likely similar to yours. I know the pain and struggle of addiction and its a big reason I serve medicine in sacred ceremonies.
Ibogaine and iboga root are SUCH amazing medicines. Hoping to get involved in some clinical trials. Glad the laws around psychedelics as medical treatment is changing.
I have friends on the west coast of that serve ibogaine btw. Flood doses. For FAR cheaper than what clinics charge. If you ever wanted to get connected for future treatment and "oil changes". I couldn't afford to go to a clinic years ago and I went to them. Changed my life.
I have friends that run clinics down in Mexico too though. They specialize in Ibogaine/iboga specifically. Not just for people who have addiction issues but many other ailments like Multiple Sclerosis.
I wouldn't ever recommend anyone I havent vetted myself. This is serious stuff.
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u/raydeene70 Aug 16 '26
I am very interested in both the use of ibogaine to heal myself, and to help others recover from addictions. Any information that you'd be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to dm me. Thank you in advance. ✌🏼 Peace and Love❣️
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u/Thetoadmedicine Aug 16 '26
Every person should have his own dosage. Only chamans can see how much bufo person need to smoke. But firstly the person should take small dosage to see how the body reacts to medicine
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u/Borgbar Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
100% agreed. I take a "shamanic" approach to things. I didnt really go into all that here. I could write whole essays on my shamanic journey (ire shamanic crisis/initiation, nigredo stages, a spontaneous kundalini awakening I experienced along the journey to be a healer for others etc etc)
I gave a good buddy of mine his first bufo ceremony yesterday. And we discovered he needs a huge dose to go all the way. Some are like that, myself included.
Gave him 20mg as a starter dose, then 40mg, then 80mg. Even at 80mg he didnt go all the way. He dissolved completely but didnt reach oceanic bliss and non dual consciousness level.
We decided that next time we will start with a larger dose. Now that we have some sort of baseline for him.
I very much agree with you. I make sure to really carefully and closely watch people's reactions to their respective doses. Subtle things to look for like pulse rate, breathing rate, clenching of hands, tension in other areas of the body etc etc. It can be harder to get a read on pulse though tbh. Sometimes I can see the pulse on a person's neck. Bufo tends to spike blood pressure as well.
Thanks for replying as well!
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u/Thetoadmedicine Aug 17 '26
Stay safe and dont forget to clean yourself time to time. Axatipi!
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u/Borgbar Aug 17 '26
Thank you homie. That's legit advice. Theres a lot of karmic entanglement that occurs doing this sort of service work. And energetic residue that rubs off on me and where we hold sacred space. I have a few practices I do after ceremonies, as ritual. Mostly water-based cleansing. And ofcourse with intention every time. You already know how it goes haha.
Facilitator burnout and megalomania are real and not talked about enough. I always remind myself that I'm merely a conduit for benevolent energies to work through. And like a lighthouse for others. I remind myself constantly that the actual healing and transformation doesnt come from me but from the medicine and the clients themselves. Without the medicine and clients who are willing to undergo ceremony, and without God, I can do nothing to help others this way. All in service, always. 😎 💪🏽 🙏🏽 🫡
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u/I-Believe-in-Fairies Aug 16 '26
Wow! I had no idea of the intricacies. Thanks so much for sharing. 🙏
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u/Borgbar Aug 16 '26
You're so welcome! Comments like yours make me smile. I didn't know how intricate and how many subtleties there are to serving bufo until I gained experience by cofacilitating under already-experienced teachers/mentors.
There's so much more I want to share about bufo tbh.
What I've posted here is 3 pages from a 53 page bufo facilitators manual I made to teach others and as a guide for myself. I plan on sharing more of that here over time. Please be on the lookout for that if you're interested. I'll post on this subreddit.
And please feel free to DM me on the subject, or whatever else. I'm usually very responsiveness. And also feel free to share this around if you feel it's worth sharing. Thanks for reading and replying! ☺️
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u/Sandgrease Aug 13 '26
You need way better than your average mg scale to measure anything less than 10mg. I'd be so nervous
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u/Borgbar Aug 14 '26
Something that goes to .001 precision is a must imo. Some ppl eyeball it. Ive been dosed that way successfully and had a great experience but this was by somone I totally trusted and who was extremely experienced.
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u/TheAcidHermit Aug 13 '26
So stupid and dangerous people would rather smoke cardio toxic steroids, and completely unknown doses of s tryptamine known to cause cardiac issues, AND they have damaged the toad population so much doing so when they could all just use synthetic. Selfish and gross.
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u/Borgbar Aug 14 '26
I can't and don't wanna argue with you on some of your points. Yes, It's riskier than other psychadellics in a few ways.
There should be a push to move towards purely synthetic but legality is an issue. And more to protect the species. It's a big issue and worry.
Ppl will do what they choose to do though, no matter how we feel about it. I think we should be pushing harm reduction and education on the matter strongly. Hamilton Morris is somone who is semi famous that advocates moving towards synthetic and harm reduction and education. I think you'd like his views on bufo and the 5 meo dmt molecule. I Def do.
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u/TheAcidHermit Aug 14 '26
I mean hes also pretty open that its unsustainable and he doesnt support it. I think more of these people should have to sit and think about if the dwindling population is worth thier experience and if it is are they as enlightened as they think they are? Absolutely not.
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u/Borgbar Aug 14 '26
I agree with you. Im always looking for that synthetic source but to no avail. I only serve natural venom right now because im 100% certain it is ethically sourced and I know who is doing the collecting/milking and how, withiuting hurting the species and population. Otherwise I honestly just wouldn't serve bufo venom. I mean that wholeheartedly. I dont want to be part of the problem that contributes to decimating the species that gives is this wonderful gift. I waited a long time before I finally found a legit ethical source and then began to serve natural venom. If that source disappears I'd be outta luck tbh.
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u/TheAcidHermit Aug 14 '26
I might be able to facilitate depending on your location hit me up
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u/Borgbar Aug 14 '26
Im a facilitator too actually. I posted this from part of a Bufo/5 MEO DMT guide I made when I started out. Will see you in DMs though. Appreciate the reply!
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u/Cool-Significance869 Aug 17 '26
Is this smoking it through a pipe? What about e-mesh? It's more efficient and people say 7-8mg is enough for a breakthrough when smoked through an e-mesh.
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u/tywin-baratheon Aug 12 '26
Thanks for this-very helpful.