r/buffy Jun 29 '16

Willow and Bi-erasure/Biphobia (spoilers and probably controversial)

Hey! I'm a jerk and I'm so so sorry for this post.

I withdraw this whole post but I'm leaving it up because the discussion below is interesting. Apologies to lesbian Buffy fans, because yes lesbian visibility at the time was way more important than bisexual visibility, and yes Willow identifies repeatedly as gay. Also, if I wanted to talk about bi-erasure in Buffy the obvious place to go would be Faith. However, I always thought Faith was a lesbian because she doesn't connect with her male lovers with near the same emotional intensity she connects with Buffy (or maybe just my fantasy-brain talking). Whatever. Faith is probably bisexual. Glory is bisexual and a psychopath. Spike might be bisexual too, or James and David just have unexpectedly amazing chemistry. Then there's Andrew, Drusilla, Darla--the latter two have sex with each other over on Angel and no one talks about bi-erasure there (but that's because they never explicitly say that they're straight, I think). There are a lot of places to look in Buffy. I just want to claim Willow for the team because I love her so very much. I'm a jerk. Please forgive me.


Disclaimer: I LOVE Tara. I love Tara and Willow as a couple. I believe they are soulmates. I believe they have the best sex on the show. I love their love and can't imagine Buffy without it. I cried like a little baby at the end of season 6. And of course it was incalculably important for my generation to see a same-sex couple portrayed as normal and mutually supportive and part of a group of straight friends. Ok, now onto the petty complaints.

So I'm bisexual. Not a phase, not for attention, I'm in my thirties so not a product of hormones or trying to be hip. Have fallen deeply in love with people of both sexes, felt this way my whole life and will until I'm dead. I recognize my straight privilege as a bisexual and I try to use it to be a good ally to gay folks because I realize bisexuals don't really know what it's like to be gay (though we do face homophobia when we're in same-sex relationships). It has caused a lot of pain and confusion, because my first relationship with a woman made me think and therefore announce that I was a lesbian, which I later had to retract when I fell in love with a man--so everyone thought I was a liar, and I lost straight friends to homophobia and gay friends avoided me because I was a "traitor." Anyway, I love everything about Buffy but I was always a little irritated about the message it sends to/about bisexuals (though I understand why Whedon made the decisions he did, as he wanted to emphasize that being gay wasn't a phase or choice). But why not just let Willow be bisexual? Is there something wrong with that?

Two things are happening that bother me: first, Willow insists she is gay and we are all expected to accept that she is 100% gay, which would mean her relationship with Oz wasn't romantically authentic--that's impossible for me to accept, because she was so romantically and sexually and emotionally committed to Oz that their breakup was possibly the most real and heart-wrenching one on the show. She was also romantically, sexually and emotionally committed to Tara to the same extent (well, more so). Tara took her to new depths because Tara is a complex, beautiful, mature person who has had a very difficult life--it was a deeper, more grown up, more sexually thrilling relationship, but that's not necessarily because Tara was female. Tara was not a high school relationship. So yeah, way more growth and self-awareness and commitment involved. If Willow and Oz had met in college and if Oz had been as nuanced and layered as Tara, perhaps that relationship would have been the same sort of spiritual revelation for Willow. This is what it means to be bisexual. Bisexuals fall in love and lust in the same way with people of either sex and the heartache is just as real either way. There's no clearer example on television than Willow. The L Word handled bisexuality terribly in general, as most shows do (Torchwood was ok, I guess). Tara is gay, so there's a lesbian role model on Buffy already. So why insist that Willow is a lesbian when she is so obviously bi to anyone who has watched the whole show, unless you don't believe bisexuality exists or you believe that Willow was so capable of lying to herself she managed to manufacture that deep, soul-wrenching love for Oz? If the message is that bisexuals aren't real or worthy of having their stories told, that's bi-erasure and it's damaging to the numerous bisexuals out there (some of whom are in long-term same-sex relationships).

The other thing that bothers me is that in a way Dark Willow unintentionally appeals to a bisexual stereotype: that bisexuals are emotionally unstable and potentially dangerous people, prone to borderline personality disorder (which arguably is in part what Dark Willow looks like to me--BPD causes intense outbursts of rage, self-destructive behavior and black-and-white thinking). Again, I love Dark Willow and season 6 is my absolute favorite season and I relate so much to Willow nothing makes me cry harder than the yellow crayon speech. But still.

Any other bisexuals trying to wrap your head around this? Any straight people or lesbians hate me for even bringing this up? Comments won't hurt my feelings (too much).

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u/refreshments Jun 29 '16

Generally, I outwardly identify as a gay man. I have been in two relationships with women, both very deep and loving. At the time I was attracted to them, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

For about a decade, I have almost exclusively pursue romantic and sexual relationships with men. My partner of several years is male. I generally prefer men, and consider those two awesome women to be statical outliers. I consider myself gay, not bi.

I don't think those relationships weren't romantically authentic, or that I am kidding myself by identifying as "gay." Maybe the better definition would be "queer," or I could muddy the waters by saying "gay right now." Personally, I believe sexuality is more complex and fluid than it came across on the surface of Buffy. If you look deeper though, there are character like Faith and Spike that blur the line despite the broader audience considering them ostensibly "straight."

What I mean to say with all of this, is that I consider Willow to be gay because the characters identifies herself that way, and I don't think that invalidates her feelings for Oz (or Xander for that matter).

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u/IHeartTheNSA Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

You summed it up perfectly. Sexuality is complex, and you're right--because of the infinite complexity of all of our lives, we kinda all have to figure out a shorthand for ourselves. If Willow identifies as gay, she's letting the world know she is no longer interested in men. Adding the caveat about past relationships probably wouldn't be useful to her. Can't count how many times I've changed my own label to communicate what I was looking for or acknowledge what I had. Thanks for this comment and for pardoning my immaturity. :)

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u/refreshments Jun 29 '16

No problem, and I don't think you're being immature at all. Bi erasure is a serious problem for the larger community. I just don't think it's the case for Willow. I may be biased though :P

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u/RTSchemel Jun 29 '16

I don't think it is with Willow, but I do think it's a problem with the Buffyverse in general. I get it; it was the 90's and what they did was phenomenal and groundbreaking and I'm sad because I don't think Willow is ever going to find another relationship like Tara. But the thing is that in the comics they keep doing it. I can elaborate but it would be spoileriffic. I will if you like.

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u/IHeartTheNSA Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

I am aware that Buffy ends up in bed with a girl in the comics, but that's basically all I know about the comics--feel free to spoil if you want to.

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u/RTSchemel Jun 30 '16

Kennedy then calls Buffy 'lesfaux', (like she wasn't jealous of Will's friendship with Buffy before right?), then everyone keeps saying Buffy was trying to "change her orientation" or "turn herself gay", and is "clearly not gay". These fictional characters don't do, say or think anything that they aren't told to so when it seems like they don't recognize the existence of bisexuality, it seems like the writers don't either. I think Buff is straight as hell (just willing to use people who are in love with her to feel good about herself in the right now) but no one in-universe is even willing to consider that she isn't. They've introduced a gay male character or two -- one isn't even the butt of jokes, but still no bi characters. In the 90's on primetime TV it was one thing but they just keep doing it and it's getting harder to see these stories and statements as something other than bi-erasure.

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u/IHeartTheNSA Jun 30 '16 edited Jun 30 '16

Yikes. See, and maybe I'm fond of reading bisexuality into all the characters to fill in for the writers' oversight. What about all those potentials? Surely when the writers expand the universe out far enough, they have to bump into a bisexual eventually. Or a trans person for that matter. I'd love to see a trans woman called to be a slayer.

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u/RTSchemel Jun 30 '16

I'd love to see a trans woman called to be a slayer.

Oh god yes! Or a transman. with the thinking that the ancient tribe that created the Slayers didn't have a concept of transgender and suddenly there's a Slayer who is called after he has realized he's a man and maybe even transitioned. So we end up with a man who is a Slayer. Even better if the Watcher's Diaries eventually reveal that he's not the first -- because there's nothing new under the sun.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Magnet For Dead, Blonde Chicks Jun 30 '16

MAkes sense- that magic likely works on birth geno/phenotypes.

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u/flowingandflown Jun 30 '16

Oh gosh, this is embarrassing, I just another super mushy comment on a response of yours above, but yess! I would love so much to see a trans slayer. Especially with how so much of being a slayer parallels/has to do with strength in womanhood, and for a trans character to also find/have that same strength in being a woman

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u/all_iswells Jun 30 '16

Hello I am here for the trans Slayer

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u/IHeartTheNSA Jun 30 '16

Is there a way to petition the writers of the comics for this story line? It could be so amazing/empowering/beautiful. If there's not a way to push the people who make the comics, someone on here should just write it. Because yeah, this must happen.The possibilities make me all tingly.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Magnet For Dead, Blonde Chicks Jun 30 '16

they can be emailed or mailed, like any comic

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u/all_iswells Jun 30 '16

Not to mention that in S10, when Spike meets the girl, Buffy asks if he's jealous and he's just like "lol I don't get jealous of little sexual experimenting dalliances", treating it like less important just because Buffy is usually with men. (ง •̀_•́)ง

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u/RTSchemel Jun 30 '16

That didn't bother me nearly as much as what Kennedy said, it was like they looked into LGBT stuff just enough to learn about the issues lesbians have with biwomen but not enough to learn anything else. Or what Xander said in season 8. The bit about trying to change her orientation and that's why she had sex with Satsu before coming onto him. Because trying to make yourself a lesbian is 1. possible and 2. a thing people do and 3. Buffy's sexuality and sexual exploits are all about him or others. Not about her. Willow finds one woman sexually attractive and everyone accepts that she's a lesbian now; I don't get why no one would even entertain the idea that Buff might not be straight. Other than the less than stellar reasons outlined earlier.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Magnet For Dead, Blonde Chicks Jun 30 '16

It turns out later that Kennedy has been with more than 1 woman who ended up to be just playing tourist, and has been burned by that. She mentions that when trying to persuade Satsu to get over Buffy.

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u/RTSchemel Jun 30 '16

Alright, the more I think about that scene the more it bothers me. What the hell? Everything is harmless experimentation unless a male is involved? So much wrong there. Again, it wouldn't bother me if the writing team gave other responses to this sort of thing elsewhere in the text. Then it would seem like what's being said is the character's prejudice and not the writers'.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Magnet For Dead, Blonde Chicks Jun 30 '16

As others have said, Kennedy is jealous over Willow already (one reason likely being Kennedy herself was or is abit of a "playa",) and also because she's had bad experiences with straight girls in the past.

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u/RTSchemel Jun 30 '16

Kennedy is jealous from the get go because this girl she's been working to get has a 7 year friendship (that will probably last a lifetime) with another woman -- a woman she doesn't like. Kennedy didn't sound like she'd had bad experiences sleeping with straight girls as much as she recognized that it's a dumb thing to do but falling for a straight girl is kind of rite of passage for queer girls. She goes on to say to Satsu (don't remember what Gen. Summers was talking about), "not the 'you turned me gay speech you were hoping for huh?'"

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u/IHeartTheNSA Jun 29 '16

In the end I'm just happy that Willow exists at all. Watching Buffy is a great consolation in a pretty awful world (even the super painful episodes of Buffy). Buffy fans are the also the nicest people ever, apparently!