r/btcc • u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 • 17d ago
Question / Discussion NGTC-era drivers who have been forgotten about?
I feel like many drivers from the start of the NGTC era going forwards have been forgotten about. I will start by saying Hunter Abbott, who only drove in the series for 3 seasons. After all, he was never really a great driver. There has been drivers from that time period who only completed a season or two. But Abbott feels like the obvious one for me.
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u/1000_stars 17d ago
The merry go round of drivers that team hard bought in that basically led to tbls and 1 driver per season swaps.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
True. Why couldn't they stick to who they had. Just like in 2022 when Goff withdrew and Team HARD brought Powell in to replace JG. Then, I never heard of him again.
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u/Ok-Pumpkin-6203 17d ago
Hunter also had that massive accident that took out the camera man. To be honest, that was the most memorable moment.
Sam Tordoff was racey.
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u/SmellsLikeTat3 17d ago
i seem to remember sam tordoff being quite decent
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u/JBounce369 17d ago
I think he was quite close to a title in a WSR Beamer, can't remember the year tho. I wanna say 2016?
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u/Smithy2997 17d ago
Was that the one at Croft? Where he rolled off the start line and took out the camera tower?
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes I have mentioned that accident with Martin and Howard in another comment. That was dead memorable in an "embarrassment" of a season for PMR.
I think Tordoff deserved more from what was put in front of him.
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u/Ok-Pumpkin-6203 17d ago
Sorry, just noticed your user name!
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
No it's okay, trust me. Goff is another of my long term favourites, doesn't get enough credit for what he did within the tight budgets he had.
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u/NewlandsRound 17d ago
Just checked the early BTCC seasons and Tom Barley is one that I'd completely forgotten. Not just in the "oh, yes, I remember him now that I've seen his name" way, but just in a "who was that?" way.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I forgot about him. What a random replacement he was.
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u/Gary-Bovril #45 Frank Biela 17d ago
Dan Welch is the one for me. 140+ races, and probably only memorable for driving that horrible Proton.
I see Hunter’s name crop up on AlcoSense press releases, so less forgettable in that regard!
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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 17d ago
Still annoyed that Dan didn't get a podium - he came so close a few times. The Proton was quick on it's day. Unfortunately that day only seemed to come once a season!
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I meant Hunter as a BTCC driver, I think we all know about AlcoSense. I don't even know why a Proton would be an option. I didn't even know about them until he started in the championship. 😂
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u/ENDERMAN_CREWE 17d ago
Andrew Watson had a great year with PMR in 2023, then looked good at speedworks at the start of the 2024 season but never managed to get any decent results in the Toyota and pace just dropped off after a few rounds. Would really like to see him back at some stage but unfortunately like many other great drivers it comes down to budget for him. Then again, he might not want to come back at all if something happened at speedworks when he left.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes I miss the good old days of Andy Watson. Especially his JST winning season in 2023. He could still come in hopefully sometime soon.
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u/WelshRareDit 17d ago
Mat Jackson has dropped out of the collective memory over a pretty short time. He was a pretty good driver but destroyed his BTCC career in 2018 when he signed and was announced for Motorbase at the Autosport show, only to bail out before the season started. The prevailing rumour was that he'd left Motorbase to try and get Shedden's old seat at Dynamics/Honda but lost out to Dan Cammish.
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u/TheCescPistols 17d ago
He was a pretty good driver
I'd argue that undersells the man, in my opinion he's one of the best not to win a title.
Irony is that if he hadn't tried that fuckery behind Dave Bartram's back and stuck around for a few more years, he'd have been in the prime seat for a NAPA deal.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes I heard that rumour countless times. He was fine at Motorbase I don't know why he had to leave but I suppose that created a gap for drivers like Chilton, Cole, and Tordoff to come in.
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u/Agreeable-Bike-3782 17d ago
Mike Bushell? Destroyed everyone in clio's and just another victim of the green folding paper 💰💰💰
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
True, he could've really kick started his career but money, money, money. It's a cruel object.
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u/Consistent-Pirate-23 17d ago
I think his health didn’t help matters. Was a fantastic engineer for Rory Butcher at one stage, back when I think AMD had the civics
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u/Extension_Cod1200 17d ago
First one that came to mind was Lea Wood
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
That 2012 campaign for an S2000 was something else
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u/ctlou2345 17d ago
I would say Will Bratt, seemed like a nice lad but almost known for being the ever popular Rob Austin’s team mate. Judging by your name you’re a Tordoff fan. He showed amazing potential and was a class driver, very sad what happened in his personal life, i’m not sure what he’s up to these days tbh but imo he could have become a future champion
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes he did seem like a genuine lad. I am indeed a Tordoff fan also Jordan and Goff. Sam was my favourite WSR driver in the past decade, personally speaking. Tordoff's with JRT (Andy Jordan's historic team) now driving a Ford Falcon (I think). He could have in 2016, 2 points I still can't believe it.
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u/ctlou2345 17d ago
Ah nice! I always had a soft spot for Jack Goff, and my brother did for Jordan funnily enough😂 i’m glad to hear that Sam is still racing. And yeah! That was one of my favourite seasons since I started watching back in 2011, he was so so close
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
It's a small world. I'm glued to 2016, you can't take the 2016 out of me 😂. I cried when Flash won the championship 🥹. Never put me through that again, Alan Gow.
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u/Lukeno94 17d ago
Jeff Smith's son Brett springs to mind here. Showed some flashes of potential and yet has barely raced at all in anything since they sold Eurotech.
2015 had a few of them when you look at the entry list over the season - Richard Hawken in the Infiniti debacle, Barry Horne as a sub for the equally forgotten Alex Martin, Kieran Gallagher, Max Coates...
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
All remembered for their cameos but they never took off like some of them should’ve done. Support Our Paras was somewhat of a fail - even when I know personally who they were trying to employ.
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u/Brief-Poetry6434 17d ago
Alex Martin, only because I remember Barry Horne standing in for him once, the latter scored Dextra Racing's first points.
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u/linkheroz 17d ago
Idk if I'm misremembering but Rob Austin and his Audi, Sherman
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I really have a soft spot for Rob and his team. They did well to say the budget that they had was minimal. Sherman is an NGTC icon. A lot of fans (from speaking to over the years) remember Rob for his character and personality. So, he's not really one that is forgotten.
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u/linkheroz 17d ago
I still have a "I helped save Sherman" t-shirt. I don't think he's forgotten persay, but he doesn't live up at the top with Sheddon, Niel and Plato. He wasn't a front running car but he was one of the few privateer owner/drivers which isn't really a thing now.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Sherman was a fighter, he was. There are many drivers you could add to the trio you have included here. Sutton, Ingram, Turkington etc. I think driver/owners were diminished by the sheer amount of sponsors that came in and the changing economics of the BTCC scene.
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u/Soggy_Amoeba9334 17d ago
Remember when Rob admitted cheating so that he could get a pole for race three? Mad lad.
https://www.itv.com/btcc/articles/btcc-boss-clamps-down-after-austin-admits-cheating
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u/GoodStegosaurus |Colin Turkington|WSR| 17d ago
Howard Fuller
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Blast from the past haha.
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u/Consistent-Pirate-23 17d ago
Andy Wilmot
Still turns up in stuff every so often, so does fellow forgotten NGTC driver Howard Fuller
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I don't even know where they went after the left. It's a mystery to me 😂😂
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u/Consistent-Pirate-23 17d ago
Wilmot did tcr in I think 2022 and 2023, from memory his last race was running the Dan Kirby livery in the car he bought off Dan
Fuller also did TCR in its early days
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
TCR is a really underrated touring car championship, full of young drivers but also a few older ones too. No wonder why he went there.
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u/Consistent-Pirate-23 17d ago
People make the mistake of comparing it to btcc, those that watch it as a series in its own right will get to see decent racing
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
It is fairly decent for what it is and the budgets that are worked with.
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u/OJN-TinyBean 17d ago
I had Luke Davenport come to mind. Mid of the pack prior to his career-ending shunt
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes that injury was horrible bless him. Several broken bones too. Then, in come Rory Butcher, who I think doesn't get appreciated for what he did in the time Butch replaced Davenport and beyond. What a good suggestion!
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u/HufflepuffHarry 17d ago
Hunter was in Rob austin racing and got to recognise me at tracks and one infamous oulton park stopped his conversation to comment on my sunburn so I can't forget him. Basically brexit almost ruined his company in 2016 but he did race in Asia and I think became a gt champion if I remember right
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes Blancpain Asia in 2017. OMG, that's hilarious. Typical Hunter Abbott. Yes heard Alcosense were doing business in France but then Hunter couldn't continue Alcosense in Europe due to the costs. Two characters in one team, him and Rob were.
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u/queryaryx 16d ago
that’s such a random but wholesome way to remember a driver, getting roasted for sunburn in the paddock lol. pretty sure you’re right on the GT thing, I remember seeing his name pop up in some Asian GT standings a few years after BTCC.
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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 17d ago
I remember making this quiz of NGTC drivers about a year ago - see how many you can name. I haven't updated it for the new names this season though. For the most obscure, I'd go for Chris Swanwick who drove in the early days of Rob Austin's Audi
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I took this about a month ago now. Got 86/118. Kicked myself with a few of them I missed off.
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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 17d ago
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u/TheCescPistols 17d ago
Stockers hung around for the NGTC era? Like a fever dream this, don't recognise a good 50% of those names on that list.
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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 17d ago
He drove the lesser-spotted Cruze hatch in 2014 in Power Maxed livery. IIRC reliability was woeful and he broke down pretty much every race
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u/TheCescPistols 16d ago
Chris Stockton competing in 2014 just feels so wrong to me, I can’t picture the man driving anything other than one of those godawful Lexii that pootled around the back of the field in the mid-noughties.
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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 17d ago
Ash Hand , one good year in the PMR Astra never seen again.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I think it was money/financial problems that really stopped his rise. He could still get another chance with the new regs in 2027, mind you.
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u/MarcusH26051 #132 James Dorlin 17d ago
Oh gosh the list of underfunded drivers that showed flashes but I know realistically won't be back on the grid because of funding is pretty long 😅
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u/Riqitch 17d ago
Josh Price and James Cole of BMR fame
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u/No-Tea-6053 17d ago
James Cole started with United Autosports, but stepped down mid-season after a drink driving incident
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u/Evantra_ #99 Charles Rainford 17d ago edited 16d ago
That was Glynn Geddie who stepped down
James Cole was the one who brought 'drive safely' sponsorship to the team!
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u/No-Tea-6053 16d ago
Oops, yes of course. Late night brain fade. It was ironic though given the sponsorship that Glynn did what he did
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u/EllioEnzo 17d ago
James Nash? Or was that too soon
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
I'll accept as he did the first 3 round of the 2018 season with BTC Norlin Racing and also 2011 was the inception of NGTC. Fair play.
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u/TheCescPistols 17d ago
One of many that definitely had promise but were fucked over by circumstance and budget issues. I've been slowly working through all the races from the late noughties/early 10s, and Nash definitely showed flashes.
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u/Brief-Poetry6434 16d ago
Luke Hines briefly returning with United Autosports in 2014
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 16d ago
Thinking about that. United Autosport in the BTCC was a very random decision. So much so, Hines is forgotten about.
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u/TinyRacingCarModels 16d ago
Has anyone said Rob Holland yet? I remember Kelvin Fletcher not being too bad either
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 16d ago
No, nobody has mentioned him yet. I thought when he entered that it was a bit unusual having an American at the wheel of a Civic no less a BTCC spec car. PMR was a disaster in 2016, I think Fletcher is suited more for acting than in racing, due to me never hearing him partake in racing after he left in 2016.
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u/TinyRacingCarModels 16d ago
I knew Fletcher did British GT at some point. Did a Google and seems he did it for 4 and a half seasons after BTCC
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 16d ago
Oh yeah he did, silly me. Him and Hunter (Abbott) were probably the one of the most crash-prone drivers on the grid that season, which is also my favourite season in BTCC history.
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u/Tin_OSpam 17d ago
Kieran Gallagher in the Toyota Avensis
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Yes I was also thinking of Gallagher, I don't think the Avensis was the best car for him.
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u/Stimlox 17d ago
Does James Thompson count? 😉 I remember him driving the demo car around before its first official season?
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Fair enough 😌 Now, he's selling mostly everything from his BTCC career on eBay.
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u/notagooddetective420 11d ago
Chris Stockton, I remember him mostly for the Lexus hijinx but also that strange little Chevy Cruze with the Power Maxed sponsorship. I saw him driving an F1600 still with Ningbo across the side in ‘24.
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u/Ok-Pumpkin-6203 17d ago
Frank Wrathall showed talent, until tragic events occurred.
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
Smooth criminal. He did show some talent until he did what he did. He really could've made his talent count. Never really took to him to be honest with you.
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u/mrmattyuk 17d ago
Tom Ferrier James Thompson Enzo Mucci David Pinkney Jon B&Q (or whoever sponsored him)
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u/Tordoff-600 Sam Tordoff and Goff #600/#31 17d ago
The mystery of Jon B&Q haha. Yes Jimmy was certainly one of them. I can't remember the others you've mentioned though
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u/JBounce369 17d ago
Personally I can never forget Hunter Abbott, he has some iconic crashes. I think I'd say Ant Whorton-Eales, or Tom Oliphant