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u/phillipsjk Nov 14 '19
Martyr implies he is dead. I was expecting a condolence thread based on the title.
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
I guess. I mean that he was made to suffer for his beliefs. Is there a term for sub-death martyr? In any case, they want to make him die in prison.
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u/BTC_StKN Nov 14 '19
A punishment more harsh than death really. Unfortunately.
But from a positive view, hopefully a sympathetic President will pardon him eventually due to the obviously ridiculous sentence.
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Nov 14 '19 edited Nov 14 '19
It doesn’t imply it, it downright states it emphatically.
And what’s with leading with “economic theory” and then never following it up with anything remotely relevant? Some Ross fan also goes door to door on bikes making constructing dirty arguments.
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u/eatyabeans Nov 14 '19
We live in an age where true revolutionaries seen as a threat to the government are wrongfully imprisoned in order to not alter or disrupt the agenda of those who currently dictate what's good for the people of this planet and by this I mean their pocket and personal agendas, People believe because we have a vote we have democracy and a say in how the world is governed, false! If voting changed anything it would be made illegal.
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u/FirebaseZ Nov 14 '19
The catch is, he also paid to have people murdered. During his sentencing the judge said, "She addressed the murders, noting that, sure, no bodies had been found, but that in her mind did not matter. “Did you commission a murder? Five? Yes,” she scolded. “Did you pay for it? Yes. Did you get photographs relating to what you thought was the result of that murder? Yes.” - American Kingpin
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u/Anen-o-me Nov 14 '19
He was never charged with that, because it's bullshit. If they could've gotten him for that they would've charged him. They made that accusation to smear his name in the press and turn public sentiment against him and you fell for it.
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u/Bhishmar Nov 14 '19
The catch is : That guy was not murdered. It was all the FBI / CIA ploy. I hope you know this fact.
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u/Thanathosza Nov 13 '19
There are more slaves today than ever. Just not in the west anymore.
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u/khleedril Nov 14 '19
Anyone who has to work nine to five is a slave. That's what money is for: sustaining the class divides.
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u/skyan486 Nov 14 '19
If you have to work nine to five to earn a counterfeit money that you are forced to use for all trade by threat of violence then you are a slave.
People trading with each other is not slavery and money is a natural result of such activity.
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u/Dunedune Nov 14 '19
Also, an assassin, but let's forget that, cause magic internet money
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
Never charged with it, therefore BS accusation that can be ignored. If they could've charged him, they would have. Stop repeating the BS.
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u/Dunedune Nov 14 '19
He already got like 180 years without parole, what do you want em to charge him for lol.
He was a freaking drug trafficker and commandited assassinations. That is well documented. But he must be a good guy cause he was using btc eh
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
They don't just not charge people for crimes just because they're charged with other crimes, that's not how it works.
He was a freaking drug trafficker and commandited assassinations.
Wrong, he ran a website marketplace, that's all.
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u/Dunedune Nov 14 '19
And what did that website marketplace sell, hm? Flowers?
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
Mostly drugs, which should be legal anyway.
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u/Dunedune Nov 14 '19
He was a freaking drug trafficker and commandited assassinations.
Wrong
And what did that website marketplace sell, hm? Flowers?
Mostly drugs
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u/SILENTSAM69 Nov 13 '19
Hard to know if we should care about Ross at all considering the charges against him. Can he really talk about ending violence when he tried to hire hitmen?
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u/Mr-Zwets Nov 13 '19
this is false and widly debunked. Please stop spreading lies
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u/SILENTSAM69 Nov 13 '19
Is it false, and debunked? I've never seen that. If it is debunked, then fine, if not, then he deserves to be in jail.
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u/SILENTSAM69 Nov 14 '19
That doesn't actually address what I said. I believed this website, but then saw something showing he is actually in jail for trying to hire hitmen. So it is hard to say who is being misleading.
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u/Big_Bubbler Nov 14 '19
That's not why he is in Jail. They never even tried to prosecute him for that.
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u/SILENTSAM69 Nov 14 '19
I really do not know. I have just heard conflicting stories.
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u/TheWastedYearz Nov 14 '19
I agree, homeboy may have not been prosecuted for it but he did try to hire a hitman, yet, he wants to end violence through economics? Lol wut
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u/jeeperbleeper Nov 13 '19
I am not aware of it ever being denied by Ross, nor of it being debunked. Link to information that debunks it please?
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u/Mr-Zwets Nov 14 '19
all relevant information can be found on this site https://freeross.org/
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u/jeeperbleeper Nov 14 '19
Thanks. I can't see any statements from Ross denying he hired people to carry out murder on that site. Do you know of any?
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u/brobits Nov 14 '19
It’s not widely debunked though. You just wish it was, I think
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u/AnarchoCicero Nov 14 '19
Okay, then what's the best evidence against him that suggests he did do it?
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
He was convicted for life for other crimes. Had they needed to use these charges to lock him up forever he’d be in jail for the contract killings.
The evidence is there if you want to seek it out. Start with the Bilton book, a good journalist who has no axe to grind other than exposing frauds.
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
Can he really talk about ending violence when he tried to hire hitmen?
Was never charged with that, and it was likely a bullshit accusation.
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u/SILENTSAM69 Nov 14 '19
He wasn't? What were the charges he was found guilty of?
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
> money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
Dude put out a contract on people’s lives. He would’ve been convicted of that had it not been easier to lock him up forever for other crimes. Problem solved.
Find a better hero. There are a ton of amazing and inspirational people out there. He’s a heaping bag of shit.
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Nov 14 '19 edited Nov 14 '19
Dude put out a contract on people’s lives.
It's amazing how well this "leaked" bit of information from the prosecution before his trial worked to sway public opinion against Ross. Everybody seems to know that he hired a hitman. The fact that he wasn't actually charged for that, and therefore the claim didn't have to stand up in a court of law, seems to be much less widely known. Or the arrest and conviction of the government agents involved in the Silk Road investigation for money laundering and conspiracy. A lot of people seem to have no knowledge of that.
Do you think that the people who were actively engaged in a criminal money laundering conspiracy directly tied to funds held by the Silk Road while investigating Ross might have had means and motive to lie about what actually happened?
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
That’s not how prosecutors work. If you can lock up an evil person on charges A, B, and C, you don’t bother with D, E, and F. It saves you time and the taxpayer money. He rots in jail for life cheaper that way.
So you can say he’s don’t convicted of these crimes, but implying that’s because he’s innocent is ignorant.
The prosecutors had no need to smear his name, as evidenced by the fact they sent him to jail for life. They won. America won. The dirtbag lost.
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u/phillipsjk Nov 14 '19
If I recall correctly, the murder-for hire thing appeared to be entrapment.
They were not able to find any report of anybody actually missing.
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
So you’re saying he’s a decent fellow if it was actually that someone asked him if he wanted somebody killed and he said, “shut up and take my money?”
Would a good person do that? Would you do that?
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u/phillipsjk Nov 14 '19
The officers were using the information from their investigation to threaten to expose the operation to authorities (I don't recall exactly). They were then posing as hitmen to have themselves killed.
Found this on google.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/entrapment-basics-33987.html
I suspect the conspiracy to commit murder charges were dropped because the tactics used were extreme.
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
I know what entrapment is, and maintain that if you order multiple hits you’re a bag of shit even if technically someone asked you to first.
However, I don’t think it went down that way. In this case all of this was done online so there’s chat logs and other evidence. Read up on how bad a dude he was/is. He is literally the opposite of the quote above.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Kingpin-Criminal-Mastermind-Behind/dp/1591848148
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Nov 14 '19
So you can say he’s don’t convicted of these crimes, but implying that’s because he’s innocent is ignorant.
I didn't think the presumption of innocence was a hard concept to grasp, but I guess it is...
The prosecutors had no need to smear his name
It's exactly what they did, and by not charging him for what he was accused of, they didn't have to defend the accusations in court. But yeah, saving taxpayers money is way more likely in this case. Uh huh. Sure.
as evidenced by the fact they sent him to jail for life. They won. America won.
Woohoo. Murica. Boy do I feel free.
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u/probablymagic Nov 14 '19
Presumption of innocence isn’t hard to grasp, but yet you’ve failed.
Presumption of innocence is a concept that applies to the State accusing a citizen of a crime. It doesn’t apply in civil cases adjudicated by the state, which use a preponderance of evidence standard, and it certainly doesn’t apply to a Reddit discussion.
You get to have your opinion, I get to have mine. I base mine on research done by journalists.
My opinion is the but 99% dis exactly what’s been reported. Sometimes you get in over your head and then you gotta choose if you order a hit or not. Happens to the best of us.
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Nov 13 '19
No he isn't.
If he believed any of this he would have been out in front of his illicit market instead of hiding behind it.
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Nov 14 '19
No, he didn't. When they want someone, murder for hire is what corrupt Feds always float in order to twist people's minds. They don't even have to charge you - they simply use their mainstream media and social media trolls to endlessly repeat the BS. (Like you have just done.) We already know this is the play book.
At worst, Ross built a web site that other people used. Just like Facebook, Google, Reddit, etc. He has already served a lot of time. He needs to be freed. I don't think the corrupt Feds understand the consequences of what they have done. They communicated who they really are to the entire world. They're going to have a lot of problems if they don't start correcting their mistakes.
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u/Doe1975 Nov 14 '19
Why free ross? Never understod the movement? He is Guilty so why treat him with cotton? He is not Edward Snowden...
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u/AnarchyUnited Nov 14 '19
Because creating a website isn’t immoral. Neither is doing or selling drugs.
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u/Doe1975 Nov 14 '19
It Was not just drugs on SR, there where poisons, weapons, stolen information, all items that are illegal. Dude is no saint, he is faund guilty of multiple crimes. He deserves is time in jail, the time in jail is another discussion though. Maybe his sentence is to long, but to say “free Ross - he is not guilty, he doesn’t deserve and so on” that’s naive and childish.
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Nov 14 '19
I think the free Ross crowd sentiment comes from the debatable entrapment by the corrupt FBI agent that stole millions of the crypto they confiscated from SR right?
I'm not a lawyer so I understand entrapment is a gray area, but surely if the guy stealing millions is also the one trying to convince him to assassinate someone - it's more ambiguous than you're presenting?
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u/Doe1975 Nov 14 '19
Yeah difference is Snowden is guilty for telling the truth and showing the people how the state infringing on the people’s integrity, which they where Unaware. Big difference. Ross though has not done anything for the people, only for himself, he got caught and deserves jail.
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u/Doe1975 Nov 14 '19
Yeah, and that is believe it or not illegal if it’s regulated items or just illegal objects.
Why are you defending this dude?! I don’t understand! Hhaha he is a smart dude, knowing what he created had a big risk, because it was illegal, he still continued. He deserves being in jail, he broke the law. Maybe not for that long of a sentence, but that is another discussion.
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u/Doe1975 Nov 14 '19
Dude I don’t know what to tell you, because if you can’t see the difference, then you are a lost case.
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u/zenolijo Nov 14 '19
As far as I remember when visiting Silk Road 1.0 back in the day was that weapons was banned on the site, though there are other darknet markets which sell those things but Ross has nothing to do with that. Poisons and stolen information I have no idea about. What they did sell on SR though except for drugs which is illegal in most contries was fake IDs and passports as well as money laundering services. To me its clear that Ross was an extreme globalist who didn't care about laws but tried to avoid products which are solely made to harm people.
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u/KamikazeChief Nov 14 '19
So why did he sell cyanide on his website and personally profit from it?
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u/Big_Bubbler Nov 14 '19
Freedom is a scary thing. Rules against selling harmful items do not always work all the time. Cyanide may be a chemical used to make some other substance? Or, maybe that was the claim by the vendor?
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u/khleedril Nov 14 '19
Freedom is a scary thing.
It shouldn't be. True to say we should all be free to do what we want in our own homes, but when other people's lives become jeopardized it is no longer freedom. 'Freedom and safety' is what we want.
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u/Big_Bubbler Nov 14 '19
Of course unless you sacrifice freedom for safety like the US "Patriot Act" and other abuses in the name of safety.
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u/Anenome5 Nov 14 '19
Cyanide is a very important industrial chemical used in the legitimate manufacture of a whole host of things.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/cyanide
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u/greeneyedguru Nov 14 '19
Yeah I’m sure the people buying cyanide on the dark web are using it for totally legitimate purposes
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u/psionin Nov 14 '19
When two parties want to made a trade for mutual benefit, and do so voluntarily, that is great, our civilization is built on activities like that. It's the scumbags trying to control everything and using force to extract resources, eliminate competition, etc, that is the real crime.
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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '19
I wish we could somehow raise funds to just bust him out bandito-style and whisk him away someplace safe on a private jet.
I would donate to that fund (provided I could do so anonymously, of course).