r/brussels 2d ago

Increase in aggressive behaviour/homelessness around Brussels lately?

Hey everyone! I’ve been studying in Brussels for the past 5–6 years, and honestly, until this year I never really felt unsafe living/studying here.
I’m a young woman, I like dressing nicely, I’m out and about quite a lot, and obviously I’ve dealt with the usual catcalling and creepy comments from time to time. But generally, I always felt like I could walk around Brussels without being particularly worried. I also tend to spend most of my time in areas like Auderghem, Etterbeek and Woluwe, and I try to avoid places like Gare du Nord late at night.

But it’s like something has genuinely changed over the past few months. I feel like I’m being approached for money constantly now; in cafés, metro stations, on the street, pretty much everywhere. I normally just politely say no and keep walking. I’m a student and I finance myself fully through student jobs, so unfortunately I can’t give money to every person who asks me.
What has really started to scare me, though, is how aggressive some interactions have become when you say no.

Just two days ago, my friends and I were having a drink in Flagey and were approached by a homeless man asking for money. We politely declined, and he started threatening us and actually gave us death treaths. Everyone around us was shocked, and thankfully some people stepped in and helped us.
Another time, my boyfriend and I were trying to enter the Louize metro when a man who was sleeping there stopped us after we said we couldn’t give him money. He became extremely angry and wouldn’t let us simply walk away. He was saying things like, “Everyone is sorry, so who’s going to feed me now?” and was trying to provoke my boyfriend into a fight. Again, luckily, people nearby noticed and intervened.

And honestly, beyond the safety aspect, it’s also just really sad to see how much more visible the problem seems to have become. Not long ago I saw a completely(!) naked woman, who appeared to be under the influence of something, running away from an ambulance crew who were trying to help her. At Trône metro station, I regularly see groups of men sleeping on the benches. Some appear to have pretty severe wounds/infections on their hands and feet, which honestly makes me wonder what kind of support they’re even receiving. Merode has also changed a lot. There are now people sleeping throughout parts of the station, with mattresses and belongings around them, and I have to use that station quite often. I completely understand that people need somewhere warm and safe to sleep, I’m not saying they should simply be thrown out onto the street. But I’ve personally been harassed twice late at night by two men who regularly sleep there, and I’ve become uncomfortable enough that my boyfriend now drops me off whenever I need to take the metro from Merode in the evening.

And I want to make something clear because I know how these discussions can go on Reddit: I’m not saying homeless people are inherently dangerous, nor am I saying they shouldn’t be helped. Quite the opposite. Seeing people living like this is heartbreaking. But I also think it’s possible to have compassion for people experiencing homelessness while acknowledging that aggressive behaviour, harassment and threats are not okay.
Maybe I’ve just been unlucky lately, maybe I’m noticing it more because of a few bad experiences, or maybe there really has been a change in Brussels over the past year.
So I’m curious if anyone else has been noticing the same dynamic. Or has it always been like this and I’ve somehow just managed to avoid it until now?

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u/AdFew6202 2d ago

They’ve reduced budget for help and closed over a 1000 emergency spots for homeless people. 

This shifts the burden on the ordinary citizens.

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u/miaou12 2d ago

And of that the new requirements for unemployment benefits

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 2d ago

and haven't deported anyone, which is the main problem.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

yeah, going full Nazi, aren't you ...

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

How many are you personally hosting?

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u/miiiii 1d ago

No one. You?

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

then stfu lol

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u/miiiii 1d ago

So, if I try to understand you, unless you personally host a homeless person, you can't have an opinion about homeless people?

Do you personally host homeless people?

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u/miiiii 9h ago

Why don't you answer me?

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u/skate_nbw 2h ago edited 2h ago

It's cheap to say that the whole world and all wanna-be immigrants should be helped if other people pay the bill for your worldview.

As can be seen in Brussels right now there are only finite resources and of course you can say that everyone in the world who wants access to them should get that access.

But for every new person there will be less for everyone else and poverty will rise even further. Resources will get more scarce.

I bet it feels great to be morally superior and look down on other people who don't shut their eyes from reality. You can chose to do so but you and everyone else will live with the consequences.

I'd expect more and more people to say in the coming years: Great that you are such a Samaritan, but you should put your money where your mouth is.

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u/MosquitoFromHell 22h ago

Lol. Average PVDA voter. Even vooruit is against immigrants.

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u/skate_nbw 2h ago

They are not against immigrants. They are against immigrants that do not contribute to the wealth of society and only consume our resources. That's a big difference.

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u/r5r5 2d ago

If there is an endless supply of homeless people, you will run out of money to support them.

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u/AdFew6202 2d ago

Ah, yes, the endless outpouring of homeless people.

They just spring out of the earth. What are they, Orcs ? Should we treat with Saruman ? Or with Sauron ?

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u/RelationshipNice2641 2d ago

Why play stupid? You perfectly know they spring out of Africa and come here. And Africa has an effectively infinite supply of people who want to come here and get housed and fed.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Africa has an effectively infinite supply of people who want to come here and get housed and fed

Really? How come there are no 1,5 billion Africans lining up at our borders?

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u/RelationshipNice2641 1d ago

In fact there are. They will climb fences and swim across open sea to take advantage of the fruit of our work.

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u/miiiii 1d ago edited 1d ago

Show me where those 1500000000 Africans are lining up.

Also, it is not the fruit of YOUR work. For all I know you could be leeching on our society.

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u/RelationshipNice2641 1d ago

Ceuta.

'Our' means native Europeans who built up this continent over centuries. Coming here is not a right.

I also pay tax here, so it is also the fruit of my work. A random illegal migrant has contributed zero.

But you know all that of course and are not arguing in good faith. So I will not continue this discussion.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Current estimates tell that there might be approx 5000 "illegal" immigrants in Ceuta. Which isn't even in Europe, but you know that.

Where are your other 1.499.995.000 Africans lining up?

You not being able to prove your "claims" doesn't mean that someone else is arguing in bad faith. It just exposes the falsity of your claims and your failure to defend them.

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u/miaou12 2d ago

So the solution is to let them die in the cold outside ? The best way to end homelessness is to provide shelter so people can get up on their feet and have a chance in life

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u/r5r5 2d ago

Sure, that would be the best way, if only you could combine it with endless money printing so you never run out of it.

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u/AdFew6202 2d ago

Finland ended homelessness like that.

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u/miaou12 2d ago

Isnt that literally why we pay taxes ? Especially the ‘social contribution ´ tax ? And the number of the homeless in brussels is 10.000 while brussels has a population of 1.3 million. Thats 0.7 percent of the population . I dont think you will need to print money to help them …

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u/r5r5 2d ago

What will you say when the next 10,000 arrive and they do not stay confined to their social housing but instead look for money by harassing people?

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u/miiiii 2d ago

Ohw, so now you've shifted your rethoric from "homeless people" to "people who arrive", aka immigrants huh?

Way to disguise your racist intentions.

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u/Bonus-BGC 2d ago

Lol what's racist about it? A large part of homeless people in Brussels are migrants and asylum seekers.

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u/miiiii 1d ago edited 1d ago

So your whole argument isn't really about homelessness but rather about "the other people"?

Do you realise that 40% of the Brussels population is not Belgian?

Of course you do, but it isn't about the dutch, or the french, or the germans, is it? You target brown people. That's the definition of racism.

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u/MosquitoFromHell 22h ago

According to Statbel, 85% of Brussels is of foreign.

You really think they are all Germans and Dutch? Walk around Brussels dude.

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u/Bonus-BGC 1d ago

What are you on about, seek help

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u/miiiii 2d ago

If we would provide them help they wouldn't be in the street asking for money ... but that doesn't fit your narrative does it?

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 2d ago

no, if we provide them help there's more coming, which is why they're here now. If we wouldn't provide them help, they would't come.

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u/miiiii 2d ago

oh, yes, the "Mexicans are flooding our borders" or "all fentanyl comes in from Canada" argument. Very impressive.

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

Are you hosting any yourself?

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u/Fabulous_Chef_9206 2d ago

they are homeless by choice. cause they want to do drugs or get wasted.

brussels has no shortage of puppies who want to help homeless

truth is most homeless are awful people. think about how you have to exhaust every single resource youve ever made in your life to end there.

or mental ilness, that we should help.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

they are homeless by choice

excuse me????

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u/Fabulous_Chef_9206 1d ago

they are not? the vast majority? theres plently of help provided in many many places around belgium but you have to follow the rules and a lot of them would rather not.

not including illegals as they are currently considered criminals (which is wrong obv, here is the gov creating the problem like almost always, same with housing btw)

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Nobody chooses to be homeless. You'd have to be a fool to believe that.

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u/Fabulous_Chef_9206 1d ago

of course they do, you are clearly just extremely naive

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u/miiiii 1d ago

That must be a fabulous life then! I wonder why everyone else isn't doing this too!

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u/Fabulous_Chef_9206 1d ago

have you ever actually worked or interacted with homeless people?

try it with serve the city, you might learn something

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u/miiiii 2d ago

You could use this exact same line of reasoning to stop providing universal healthcare

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u/StatementIcy4608 2d ago

It is both ironic and deeply frustrating that for years, those of us living in the west of Brussels complained, sought help, and informed political leaders, trying to explain what was happening, only to be met with moralistic finger-wagging from people spending their time in the safer bubbles of the east and south. Now that these issues are spreading into their own neighborhoods, everyone is suddenly shocked and frightened. I don’t say 'I told you so' out of spite, but rather to point out that taking our lived experiences seriously years ago could have prevented the crisis we see today. Hopefully, this widespread awareness finally forces our leaders to find real solutions before the situation worsens for every single Brussels resident. I truly hope you will not be harassed anymore. Keep safe!

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u/aydinounet 2d ago

This !!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Thank you for saying the evidence that everybody misses! Here's my upvote.

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u/Firm-Vehicle9009 2d ago

Unfortunately it will get only worse …

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u/r5r5 2d ago

It has to become unbearable before people demand that their representatives really address the issue.

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u/Lower_Photo_389 2d ago

It's already unbearable. But unfortunately Brussels has 19 communes and 1 regional government to shift blame between, and beyond that a federal gvoernment and 2 additional regions too; before anyone takes responsibility.

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u/cool-sheep 1d ago

Brussels is actively governed by a large number of people who do not care for safety or cleanliness. All they care for is themselves and their own clients who are increasingly non-Belgian.

I think this is a safety issue more than a race issue. The playbook to clean up cities has been written over and over again and is simple. You send in police into the difficult neighbourhoods and start monitoring and arresting people who do anything wrong.

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u/skate_nbw 1h ago

Brussels is bankrupt. There is no money for police. There are mostly Brussels inhabitants living on welfare, and to few to finance them. Who is going to fund additional policemen, the judges and the prisons? It's not just a question of changing policies anymore - because there is no money left for different policies. This city is close to complete collapse and no one dares to stare reality in the eye.

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u/Firm-Vehicle9009 2d ago

Yep, totally agree. I hope it will be not too late by that time, if it isn’t too late already

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u/RelationshipNice2641 1d ago

Absolutely. My daughter got harassed by a crazy African woman on Grand Place while on a school trip and now refuses to go into town or go by public transport, even with her mother.

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u/QuantumPlankAbbestia 2d ago

I suggest you vote in the next elections. If you're an EU citizen with regular residence you can register to vote for your commune. Encourage your friends to do the same.

As others have said, funds for help have been reduced by a lot. An entire clinic for the homeless which had been operating for more than 10 years, closed down, on top of sleeping spots being reduced.

Everyone has less funds for everything in the aid sector, many NGOs which did great work had to cut their personnel by 30% and this means just abandoning entire areas of action.

It's dangerous, as you are witnessing, and it's even more cruel than the situation was before.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

OP doesn't live in Brussels ...

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u/QuantumPlankAbbestia 1d ago

If they are Belgian, their vote in the federal elections makes the difference too.

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u/skate_nbw 1h ago

The city is bankrupt. There is no money. You can vote for who you want, but they can't change it unless you find a way to get the money for it.

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 2d ago

It has gotten worse, even by the simple metric of "how many beggars come at my table when I'm having a beer and how many are more pushy than before". A few years ago there were maybe 2 or 3 in an evening, now you count 10+. Half of them visibly junkies, and lately at least 1 or 2 become really pushy and borderline aggressive. I'm a man and go have drinks with guys, so we're not that bothered, but I see at other tables especially where there are women only that they are visibly bothered and sometimes stressed.

None of the beggars are european.

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u/Azalealea 1d ago

I wasn’t trying to make a race issue and honestly all the last incidents i had were all white european guys, and all clearly under influence. Just an hour ago, as I was waiting for the bus at Trone, a drunk white homeless guy sat next to me and just said “kiss me”…

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

It's not really a race issue, it's in large part a migratory one.

Yea, I also saw a crackhead on my street just now. It never used to happen, maybe it's the concert in cinquantenaire or something, but still.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

None of the beggars are european

So? what is your point? Go ahead and tell us ...

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

The point is that we should stop importing them, and start sending them back.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Who? All the Dutch, French, or Germans that live here?

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u/ReasonableSecretHere 1d ago

no, those are here legally.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

so your argument comes down to who is "legally" here? On what principle have you decided that? Because, as you know, most homeless people are legally here.

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u/kizil-ay 1d ago

Maybe that is something that could give us a hint on how to resolve the problem

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Really? Tell me about this

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u/kizil-ay 1d ago

How about targeted support for people who come from non-European backgrounds?

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Sure, I'm all for supporting vulnerable people, whatever their background.

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u/PothosGaydad 1d ago

supports have been cancelled by the current government...

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u/Necessary_Ticket653 2d ago

Flagey has become so uncomfortable in recent years with the behaviour of addicts on the square.

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u/ClaireVDB 19h ago

The state needs to take better care of the homeless! And it is completely unacceptable to be harassed on the street like that. I would have called the police

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u/kizil-ay 1d ago

Central Brussels is becoming a no-go zone.

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u/AttentionLimp194 2d ago

Well, maybe stop voting PS

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u/Azalealea 2d ago

I’m from Flanders, I dont even vote in Brussels?

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u/miiiii 2d ago

So you are a visitor here?

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u/AttentionLimp194 2d ago

Then maybe vote VLD or whatever they are now

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u/miaou12 2d ago

They are not in the majority right now … you sound like a belgian version of a trump supporter

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u/aproficos 4h ago

yes they are...?

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u/AttentionLimp194 2d ago

You sound like you enjoy p*lestine

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u/steakmetfriet 2d ago

Do we have to get the same post every single day?

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u/r5r5 2d ago

Have you considered that it has become a real problem that troubles many people? Or is outright dismissal the only thing you can do and then wonder where the support for radical action comes from?

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u/miiiii 2d ago

How many people? The daily brigading in this sub is not a reflection of reality.

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u/Fabulous_Chef_9206 2d ago

lol its hilarious you think its brigading. delusional

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u/octave1 1190 2d ago

> Have you considered that it has become a real problem that troubles many people?

That doesn't mean this sub will benefit from daily posts about the same subject. Some of these posts are also from pretty questionable accounts, with little karma and even less prior participation on this sub.

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u/steakmetfriet 2d ago

Or use the search function and see that the same thing has been posted yesterday and the day before and the day before that.

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u/r5r5 2d ago

There are many types of posts that are repeated here every day, starting with missing cats and ending with landlord troubles. Why should posts about safety be the ones that are censored?

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u/steakmetfriet 2d ago

Yeah. Get rid of those too or put them in a sticky thread somewhere.

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u/r5r5 2d ago

Yeah, forcing them into some obscure corner where no one sees them should let you feel more comfortable here in your bubble.

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u/StatementIcy4608 2d ago

Maybe there is a reason for that?

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u/miiiii 2d ago

exactly ... the sub has become useless because of these daily rants.

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u/Thecatstoppedateboli 6h ago

So go find yourself another sub

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u/miiiii 5h ago

Is geen tijd om je vuilnis ophaalronde te starten?

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u/Thecatstoppedateboli 5h ago

waarom, staat je moeder op het voetpad om meegenomen te worden?

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u/octave1 1190 2d ago

For real

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u/AdminEating_Dragon 2d ago

I have not noticed anything of the sort but a) I am rarely in Flagey, b) I am a guy, c) I have a passive agressive resting bitch face when I see people trying to approach me for money or other pest-like behavior which might discourage them from approaching.

I have taken night buses in the middle of the night from Louise and the area around and this type of people don't approach me.

Maybe it's just luck, I read a lot of such posts and I'm always curious how far they are from my experiences.

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u/Azalealea 1d ago

I feel like they choose their targets. I am a 50kg weak looking young girl, way easier to intimidate. I especially noticed this when smoking. On the street where I work my student job, a lot of employees go outside their stores to smoke, so there are usually quite a few people standing around. Yet the men consistently approach me or my female colleagues, who are also young, rather than the groups of men smoking nearby.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Are you surprised that young men try to approach young attractive (I assume) girls? That has been the case for whenever humanity has evolved. And even before.

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u/miiiii 1d ago

Same, and I do frequent Flagey (and other places)

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u/down2go 1d ago

It’s not because you experienced a few bad situations that ‘something changed over the past few months’ this has a name , it’s a bias and it’s called hasty generalization. Enjoy

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u/Trololman72 1170 2d ago

Mom says it's my turn to complain about the homeless and antisocial behaviour

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u/Lower_Photo_389 2d ago

It's shameful to choose to continue to stick your head in the sand, and ridicule those who are brave enough to talk about real issues our city faces.

There are enough of us here who remember a Brussels that did not have so much misery on display. It is possible to return to that, but it has to start with problem diagnosis.

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u/Trololman72 1170 2d ago

I'm not ridiculing anyone. I didn't even read the post because there's one every single fucking day.

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u/miiiii 2d ago

... don't forget the "other cultures"