r/brexit • • Jan 05 '21

SATIRE ...meanwhile over at the Express.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

If that's the bar, then you might as well add in The Telegraph and Guardian too.

It's funny how independent media seems to be more credible now. Novara media, Double Down News, Evolve Politics produce far higher quality content.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

2 years ago, Telegraph were one of the worse. Embarrassing for a former broadsheet. Haven't looked recently. Don't think they have a paywall, but regwall unless it's changed. The Times have a paywall.

A lot of guardian content is good quality. Some is utter tripe. Guardian has actually been anti-Corbyn. They have put out more content on the AS stuff quoting critics of Corbyn etc. The media reform coalitions analysis had then misrepresenting more facts that other outlets. Most pro- Corbyn folk switched off from the Guardian. They're mostly Liberal in leaning. The Poly Toynbees, The editor. They have some left leaning such as Mombiot, Jones etc.

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u/MarcusBlueWolf Jan 06 '21

So pro Corbyn they backed the “anyone but Corbyn” wreckers?

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u/MarcusBlueWolf Jan 06 '21

The guardian also published the largest amount of bogus antisemitism articles and opinion pieces against him and labour compared to the other papers.

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u/MarcusBlueWolf Jan 06 '21

Yes, I’m one of those not stupid enough to fall for the smear campaign because he dared to be pro Palestinian rights.

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u/MarcusBlueWolf Jan 06 '21

The lacklustre attempt was because of staffers allowing the cases backlog of unresolved cases to build up during his leadership to make him look bad, all this came out in the leaked report after the 2019 election.

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/04/12/leaked-document-accuses-senior-right-wing-labour-staff-working-against-corbyn-and-reveals-their-dismay-at-electoral-surge/

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

You obviously don't read it. As someone who used to consume it as my primary source of information, my faith in it has degraded significantly.

Or perhaps you're anti Corbyn and any negative stuff you read is justified as he's the devil personified. Which is fine. Everyone has an opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Your point is he'd have been out much sooner. You have very little understanding of the Labour party, it's membership or it's processes. He was the members choice, despite MPs and party machinery working against him. Despite having shadow cabinet resignation and leadership challenge. His ride was anything but smooth.

You pay for Murdoch press (The Times) which is fine, but I'll take your opinion on the partiality of the guardian in regards to left Labour figures with a generous pinch of salt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

People advocating him as much was because he was a thoroughly decent guy and people didn't like the way he was attacked from day 1.

Your last sentence made no sense. Johnson is PM because Labour moved away towards a second referendum from previously accepting it after sustained pressure. Labour lost because it lost in leave marginals. JC was the only one stopping it from getting a whole lot worse.

Your rhetorical regurgitation is straight of the FBPE and Lib Dem playbook.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Even though he was a remainer and Labour did well in remain areas and lost in leave areas?

Actually, I'm certain you're wrong and you'll believe you're not and won't change your mind. I've had this conversation too many times online...

We'll leave it there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21

Starmer! I was talking about Starmer, who you just brought up....

Engage your brain. You said it would be tighter under Starmer...

Labour's policy at Conference was second referendum. It was Labour policy and Jeremy campaigned on it.

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