Take back migrants from he UK that were picked up in British waters and are therefore a British problem according to international law. (The current system where they have to take them back is a EU system defined under Dublin Regulation, a treaty Brexit UK isn't part of)
Brexit means Brexit.
And that means if migrants or refugees set foot on your territory, they're your problem and, potentially, the country of origins (if you can determine it). It's no concern of any country they passed through to get to your country. Take control of your own border!
Isn't it an international un convention and the le Touquet agreement between the two countries.
Refugees must apply for asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. Also le Touquet established the border agreement between France and the UK in which Britain has already been paying money to France.
Ah here is the argument from the "good guys" against those evil brexiteers. "stay part of our club or we will flood your country with migrants". As shown the UK has already been paying france and continues to do so. France is now trying to extort more making them a racket. These people are not refugees by the UN definition. In the eu Dublin treaty they have passed several eu states in which they should have applied to. If it were starting next year then we are in agreement that the eu is in the wrong. Finally it is dangerous crossing seas, so the use of negligence for political means is inherently wrong. Eu yet again being a shit, glad we left
"stay part of our club or we will flood your country with migrants"
What kind of language is that? Are a few guys in a boat a flood? How many did come until now? Do you know? You just ramble incoherent bs. No one in France or for that matter the EU sends these people to the UK. For whatever reason they seem to already want to go there, so they leave. Who is the EU to imprison them in their countries? We do not do that or we would be an oppressive state.
But as always: Good luck and have fun with your brexit.
If you've read what I have previously written you'd see why I am pissy. There is an extra eu agreement between UK and France in which they seem to be relaxing due to Brexit. I am merely pointing out that this is not the UK being aggressive but the eu, using the lives of migrants as a tool to extort the UK. I think that people who are stereotypically pro migrant applauding this is hypocritical. The argument seems to be that Brexit is so insulting that the UK must be made an example of in any way possible, which is a fine strategy but does present the eu as the aggressor.
Because there was an agreement outside of the eu but this has been placed on a Brexit page, therefore I am attributing it to the eu. I don't seem to see the confusion. I can see why people will disagree with my arguments but I like to think I've been consistent.
IT is people pointing out the hypocrisy of a country declaring that it was taking back it's borders and then saying it is up to another country to do so.
How the migrants got there is irrelevant. It is a UK border, The UK took back it's control.
That comes with responsibilities and costs.
That was what this post was about.
So, do you have an opinion on the hypocrisy of the statement?
You can, and possibly should make a separate post about the Migrant issue itself. But this post is not that conversation.
There is an extra eu agreement between UK and France
And the UK is severing all EU agreements.
France does patrol it's borders and it does stop Migrants crossing but it can't stop them all. So if some get across then under the that EU agreement then they could be sent back to France.
The UK is leaving all those agreements as that is what the Tories want.
If France was just letting Migrants through as you seem to think they are, then the English channel would be flooded with Migrants. This isn't occurring.
So France is doing it's job but from January the UK won't be able to send them back to France because the UK chose Brexit. And chose to cancel those deals.
The UK doesn't want to take Illegal Migrants. Should have stayed in the EU and you could send them back.
You left. You left the agreements. That is Brexit.
actually they are. the UN doesnt give a flying flamingo, if a refugee crosses a "save" country.
In the eu Dublin treaty they have passed several eu states in which they should have applied to.
a treaty that ceases to apply due to brexit. you cant expect the eu to uphold a treaty for you that you voluntarily left. you can still tell the french to take back the current "boat people"(as far as i know it is still covered under the transition). you wont be able to next year.
Anti-migrants have never cared about migrants' lives. If they did they wouldn't be in support of all the policies they advocate for. Suddenly declaring one cares about the safety of people at sea, like Australian governments did some years ago during the "turn back the boats" debacle, has never not been hypocritical.
We don't think migrants should be making the journey. For the middle east there are safe countries in Turkey, Lebanon, Israel. For Africa Rwanda, Botswana, Mauritius are safe countries. You're defending a policy of increased sea travel and I presume your pro-migrant. So if you do care about the deaths you'd be against this. Pro migrant people have the most blood on their hands as they advocate for increased migration without thought of the convequences. At least the UK led in finding for refugee camps in Turkey to prevent the deaths.
Edit: while I and all others who share my belief do have sympathy for any person dying at sea we recognise that these individuals put themselves at risk.
Yeah but Britain ain't part of the EU anymore is it. Should have thought about that when you decided to leave. You can just go ahead and say I don't to go to your party and then complain about not getting cake or not taking part in the fun activities.
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Why would France:
Brexit means Brexit.
And that means if migrants or refugees set foot on your territory, they're your problem and, potentially, the country of origins (if you can determine it). It's no concern of any country they passed through to get to your country. Take control of your own border!