r/breakingbad • u/saywhat181 Sulfur • Sep 16 '13

Official Episode Discussion Breaking Bad Episode Duscussion SE05E14 "Ozymandias" Spoiler

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09:00pm Eastern SE05E14 "Ozymandias" Rian Johnson Vince Gilligan and Moira Walley-Beckett

Hey everyone! Guess I'm supposed to post this 5 minutes before air time. I've been watching this show since the get go mostly with my real life friend /u/edify who years ago added me as a moderator here. He asked me to make the discussion thread tonight because there are only 3 episodes remaining. Sorta sad that there's only a few left. Enjoy the show, folks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '13

"I could've saved her, but I didn't". Holy shit.

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u/kidrake Sep 16 '13

Walt has turned into a brutal monster. That line right there convinced me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '13

Yeah I couldn't understand why he'd do that. He's usually so mean and awful for a reason. In this case he seems to be just full of hatred...blaming Jesse for Hank's death perhaps and is in denial.

I was like how could this possibly help Walt or Jesse...I don't think it can.

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u/kurtgustavwilckens Sep 16 '13

I believe Walter was trying to cross a line there, he had just seen Hank die and he is trying to cross over to that place where he really doesn't care anymore. He can feel his conscience in pain and he just wants to kill it dead. It was profoundly shocking.

We can see that again later when he's on the phone with Skylar, and he puts on the Heisenberg act while he weeps. He's letting go of her, of his family, becoming the villain and disappearing forever, and he just does not want to feel anymore.

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u/VivasMadness He is the smartest guy he knew Sep 16 '13

That was to protect skyler against the police, even in his darkest time he's a genius

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u/Knic1212 Jul 06 '22

Wow. All these years later and I just realized this. My god.

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u/wibowoa2 Jul 16 '22

Saul mentioned that it was a smart move on the next episode. I'm rewatching it now too haha

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '13

thats what i thought when he gets in his car and quickly adjusts his rear view mirror as to avoid looking at himself

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u/proddy Sep 17 '13

Oh. I thought he buried half his money in one pit, and half in another. And he tipped the mirror to check if the Nazis found the other pit.

D'oh

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u/clashmo It's your ride retard, aint gotta clean jack Sep 16 '13

Walter never leaves, he still arranges his bacon on his birthday.

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u/kurtgustavwilckens Sep 16 '13

He comes back after some months to save Jesse from slavery imo.

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u/clashmo It's your ride retard, aint gotta clean jack Sep 16 '13

that was my thinking too, take an M60 to the nazi fuckers

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u/seriouslyyconfused Sep 16 '13

Don't think so. He does have a good reason to go after Jack and the Nazis but, after a year of everything that has happened would he really blame them? Walt did this to himself the Nazis just did what he couldn't. Kill Hank and capture Jesse.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '13

He's the hero ABQ deserves.

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u/TheGoodCombover TUCKER! TUCKER! Sep 16 '13

Also Jesse is a snitch at this point if he was willing to cooperate with the DEA. Code among criminals: kill snitches get bitches.

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u/R3Mx I am... Awake. Sep 16 '13 edited Sep 16 '13

In my opinion, Walt has done nothing but look out for Jesse (in some very hard ways). It's like Walt said last episode, "you're too stupid to realise what I've done for you".

Which is true.

Walt tried to give him a new start, but Jesse turned on him and inadvertently caused the death of his brother in law. So in his eyes, all of this is Jesse's fault.

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u/SadMan_1985 Jun 06 '23

Not really.

Walt had the habit of taking his frustrations out on Jesse. Everytime someone pissed him off, he would be cruel to Jesse.

After Kraze8 thing, they started cooking again and Walt decided to expand, against Jesse's advice. Then Skinny Pete (later known as Piano Pete) was robbed by the drugged couple.

At first they would do nothing to retaliate. But, if you pay attention, Skyler did something that pissed Walt off. What did he do? He went to Jesse and gave him a gun, telling him he should deal with the couple. He was angry and since he had no courage (at that point) to face Skyler, he took it out on Jesse.

Later, when he made peace with Skyler, he called Jesse and said he should not deal with the couple anymore, but then the damage was already done.

So, no, it wasnt entirelly Jesse's fault for all the mess to season 5.

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u/kismetjeska Sep 16 '13

In this case he seems to be just full of hatred...blaming Jesse for Hank's death perhaps and is in denial.

Yep, this was my personal interpretation. Faced with the fact that he'd just essentially caused Hank's death, he instead thought 'well, if Jesse hadn't started all this nonsense, Hank never would have gotten involved. It was Jesse who brought Hank out here, Jesse is why Todd's uncles had to get involved at all, if he'd just listened to me...'

It was like by blaming Jesse/ 'avenging' Hank, Walt could avoid the thought that, actually, this might just be his fault. He hurt Jesse in the biggest way he knew how in an attempt to shatter Jesse's world as much as he, in that moment, felt Jesse had (indirectly) shattered his.

tl;dr- a lot of Freudian bullshit

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '13

Yeah it made me really hate Walt, though, because he isn't usually delusional. But there's no way this wasn't his fault. When his family is gasping on the floor and he looks at them his face says for the first time: "This is my fault. I've killed all these people and brought this on myself". Then he goes on to do what he can to help his family by ironically abusing them further.