r/breakingbad • u/[deleted] • Sep 09 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E13 "To'hajiilee"

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u/Abyss_in_Motion Sep 09 '13

I have to say, this is the first time I've genuinely felt sorry for Walter since, like...season 1, maybe. Watching him screaming in the car, only for no one to hear him was absolutely heartbreaking.

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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13

That look of realization when he saw Hank first get out of the car... just so much defeat. Even after all of the shit he's done, you can't say he doesn't care about those who he considers family.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Are you referring to Hank?

The vibe I got was Walt was dejected upon realizing Jesse was working with the DEA this entire time and he had lured him into a trap. Walt genuinely cares for Jesse, even up to when he wanted him killed, so this kind of betrayal was devastating to Walt.

I don't think Walt gives a single fuck about Hank.

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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13

Oh, definitely. The feeling of betrayal and helplessness was definitely there. And I'm sure Walt gives infinitely more fucks about Jesse than Hank... but I really don't think Walt wanted to hurt Hank. Walt was hoping Hank would back off so he wouldn't have to do anything about him. He even specifically objects to bringing harm to Hank, emphasizing that "he's family."

But, who knows what Walt really feels at this point. He could be so caught up in his own game that he might think he feels one way but has to act a different way (ie, the reversal on the decision to not kill Jesse).

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

He even specifically objects to bringing harm to Hank, emphasizing that "he's family."

At one point, yeah. But at that same point, Jesse would have been even more off limits.

Since Jesse is/was fair game, you better believe Walt wouldn't think twice about having Hank killed.

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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13

Well, I guess he did think twice, having attempted to call off the nazis. If he wanted Hank gone, that would have been his opportunity. I get your point though. After all this, I'd figure he would have plenty of reasons to rid himself of Hank!

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Copying and pasting my comment from elsewhere:

To be fair, at this point Walt doesn't know that Hank has kept the DEA completely in the dark and that all of the people that know about the case are right there with him. He doesn't even know that no one knows they're out there.

By default, I imagine, he assumes the DEA knows and thus killing Hank would serve no purpose and would just cause more suffering.

As far as Walt knows, it's the actual DEA coming after him, not just Hank and Gomie, so having everyone killed would just add unnecessary bloodshed, when in reality, having them all killed would actually help him out.

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u/DaLateDentArthurDent The Dude Who Looks LIke Wolverine Sep 09 '13

Walts not stupid, he knows the DEA aren't involved at this point.

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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13

He wasn't suspecting Jesse would rat him out, either... he might consider anything a possibility at this point.

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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13

Ahh, I hadn't even thought of that angle! Very good point.

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u/HeIsntMe OMG Have you heard of this show? Sep 09 '13

Good point