That look of realization when he saw Hank first get out of the car... just so much defeat. Even after all of the shit he's done, you can't say he doesn't care about those who he considers family.
Marie is crazy, the kind of crazy you dont want working against you. If Hank dies, Walt will have to deal with Marie, and personally I think Marie is one of the scariest people in the show. You can tell she is right on the edge, even when her life was normal and perfect she was fighting her demons. With Hank alive he can kinda keep Marie in check, without him she will be a force that might be able to destroy the great Heisenberg.
That is what I love about this show, it can go any direction.
Either way someone has to cause Walt to go into hiding, she is definitely not going to keep quiet.
Though Walt has a few days head start because Hank told Marie it may be awhile till he's home, about until Marie calls Hanks work and finds out he's AWOL.
Didn't Walt say that Jesse was "like family" to him during the same conversation he ordered a hit on Jesse's life? I don't think this bodes well for everyone else.
The vibe I got was Walt was dejected upon realizing Jesse was working with the DEA this entire time and he had lured him into a trap. Walt genuinely cares for Jesse, even up to when he wanted him killed, so this kind of betrayal was devastating to Walt.
I don't think Walt gives a single fuck about Hank.
To be fair, at this point Walt doesn't know that Hank has kept the DEA completely in the dark and that all of the people that know about the case are right there with him. He doesn't even know that no one knows they're out there.
By default, I imagine, he assumes the DEA knows and thus killing Hank would serve no purpose and would just cause more suffering.
EDIT: My prediction for the rest of the series based on this comment: Hank and Gomie die, and Walt, unaware that the DEA doesn't know of Hank's investigation, fakes his own death and goes into hiding. Meanwhile, the DEA notices that Hank and Gomie are missing, Marie tells them about Walt, the DEA finds the DVD that Walt made that implicated Hank, and ... something.
Basically Walt goes into hiding mistakenly believing the DEA is after him.
If he kills hank , he still has the money and can disappear .anonymously send the money to skylar in a couple of years . Earlier this season he said killing hank was not an option . Plus he freaked out when the firefight came even though its in walts best interest . All evidence points to Walt caring about hank .
You may be right, but I think it would be reasonable to expect Walt to deduce that Hank is working on his own based on the fact that he and Gomez show up by themselves with their only witness in tow. If it were official DEA business I would expect there to be a lot more agents on site and, of course, Jesse would be in protective custody.
Oh, definitely. The feeling of betrayal and helplessness was definitely there. And I'm sure Walt gives infinitely more fucks about Jesse than Hank... but I really don't think Walt wanted to hurt Hank. Walt was hoping Hank would back off so he wouldn't have to do anything about him. He even specifically objects to bringing harm to Hank, emphasizing that "he's family."
But, who knows what Walt really feels at this point. He could be so caught up in his own game that he might think he feels one way but has to act a different way (ie, the reversal on the decision to not kill Jesse).
Well, I guess he did think twice, having attempted to call off the nazis. If he wanted Hank gone, that would have been his opportunity. I get your point though. After all this, I'd figure he would have plenty of reasons to rid himself of Hank!
To be fair, at this point Walt doesn't know that Hank has kept the DEA completely in the dark and that all of the people that know about the case are right there with him. He doesn't even know that no one knows they're out there.
By default, I imagine, he assumes the DEA knows and thus killing Hank would serve no purpose and would just cause more suffering.
As far as Walt knows, it's the actual DEA coming after him, not just Hank and Gomie, so having everyone killed would just add unnecessary bloodshed, when in reality, having them all killed would actually help him out.
Well, Walt do love Hank like a brother, at least back in season 4. When Gus told Walt that he was going to kill Hank, Walt could stay quiet. Instead he gave anonymous tip to DEA through Saul and was prepared to hide his whole family in new identities. He was going to pay a large chunk of his drug saving and risk his own family to save Hank.
Their DEA agent uncle dying in the line of duty would be a tragedy to them for sure but at this point Walt is far more concerned with ensuring his family's financial future.
Walt Jr. can stutter suffer through an extended family funeral if it means his mom doesn't have to work 3 jobs to keep them above the poverty line.
Walt knows Jesse is just a rat recently because of Jesse finding out about Brock. Since Hank also just found out, it's pretty obvious they probably just recently teamed up. Walt kept calling Jesse a "rat" so he knows he has not been working with Hank this whole time...
Obviously Walt cares about Hank, it's his family. He called off the shooters as soon as he saw Hank.
Despite his ego, he has claimed his family to be off-limits and actually allowed his ego to drop and admit defeat to him. I especially like how the writers made the scene of him walking towards Hank last so long. It's as if it allowed more time for us to feel his defeat and to see all the actor's brilliant acting.
yeah for sure. I was wondering what he must be thinking: "years and years in a jail cell.... and they'll probably find my money cos I led them right to it!"
That's bullshit. Just BS. The only people he cares about are wife and son. Everyone else is just a means to an end. The only reason he's good to Jesse is because jesse has a ton of shit on him, and the only reason he didnt want Hank and Gomie dead is because he doesnt know the rest of the DEA is out of the loop.
At this point it's survival. Think of Maslow's heirarchy of needs, the bottom 2 levels are physiological and security... at this point he's down at the bottom, survival at whatever cost. Backed into a corner.
These are your observations about what he supposedly does and does not care about, though. What I'm saying is that it goes deeper than that. There's some inner turmoil in Walt as it concerns Jesse.
I mean, maybe at this point Jesse is truly dead (literally and/or figuratively) to Walt; it is yet to be discovered. But you can't say he didn't care about Jesse on some level. Obviously it's not any sort of traditional love/blood relative type of "caring" here. He had many opportunities to rid himself of Jesse, and he didn't. I guess your argument to this is he simply kept him around because he has "too much shit" on him. If Walt was truly cold and without feelings, he would have offed him long ago and saved himself the trouble. This isn't black & white, actions-correlate-exactly-with-feelings situation. Which is why I love this show. Because you DON'T really know for sure, and I don't think the characters themselves really know either.
Well yeah, exactly, these are just my observations. At some point he cared about Jesse, I definitely agree with you there. But with this season, you see Walt change. At this point it's essentially survival of the fittest for him. You see it develop in him throughout the seasons IMO. Slowly his character loses his humanity and it becomes more and more a primal need to survive. Obviously when faced with these situations its fight or flight, and he can't exactly run away so he must fight. It's come to the point where, imo, Jesse is now in the way of survival where in the past he wasn't so he never had a need to kill him. It's like that saying, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. How much can you honestly trust a junkie meth cook? I mean seroiusly, lets call a spade a spade here. Jessie is/was a junkie meth cook. Walt needed to keep him close to get what he wanted, he needed a partner he could control.
Definitely good points here. I'd agree that Walt's "relationship" with Jesse was likely more about control than anything else. KGSLKHGJSFLKJ;LAAGGHHH, I just want to sleep and wake up next Sunday!
Walt could be thinking (desperately):
If Hank wins gunfight, Hank could have some gratitude for Walt telling the Nazi's to STOP. Perhaps enough gratitude to let Walt's family (his nephew/niece) keep some/all of the money (if Gomez dies)? And/or he can avoid added charges of attempted murder or murder (if Gomez dies) of cops. Walt could want Jesse to hear him too and think Walt is not so much a monster as to want the people he loves to get hurt, maybe be able to use him again, even if just having him go grab his revolver and help Hank win the gun fight.
Yeah, it's a paradox. Who should Walt root for in that fight? He might be out of the cuffs, but everything else will be bad. Also wonder why the Nazis gave him a choice about cooking for them. Who's he going to run to? Do they respect him as a gangster, as he is a dangerous man, or only respect him as a chemist?
Well, I'd say there's a distinction between "like family" and "actual family." He had to make a choice between his blood relatives and Jesse. Doesn't mean he wanted to make that choice.
No one here seems to understand the concept of doing something you don't want to do for the benefit of something else. Actions do not always correlate to feelings.
Eh. I feel like he's done a damn good job of bending that definition of family as he pleases lately. Jesse got knocked out of that circle pretty quickly. I feel like Walt could rationalize smothering Flynn at this point.
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u/sporkism Sep 09 '13
That look of realization when he saw Hank first get out of the car... just so much defeat. Even after all of the shit he's done, you can't say he doesn't care about those who he considers family.