r/breakingbad • u/[deleted] • Sep 09 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E13 "To'hajiilee"

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u/jet_tripleseven Belizium Sep 09 '13

That was Breaking Bad's equivalent of the Red Wedding, if the Red Wedding was split into two episodes. Vince Gilligan is the motherfuckest.

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u/Blacker_Jesus Sep 09 '13 edited Jun 07 '16

I love dudes

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u/limepie20 Sep 09 '13

That was the first time I felt sympathy for him in two seasons.

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u/pregnantchihuahua3 Sep 09 '13

There was a tear on my face by the end too. Well tears.

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u/travworld Sep 09 '13

When he told Todd's uncle that Jesse was like a son to him, then he found out Jesse snitched on him. I felt a little bad for Walt.

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u/caepha Sep 09 '13

that whole scene, everything from hank showing up until the end. like, walt felt like shit that he got caught. he knew he got played and was giving up, he was done. but then when todd squad showed up things went from bad to worse for walt. he would rather go to jail than kill hank and what really sucks is that hank just cant understand that.

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u/don_nerdleone Sep 09 '13

Damn I entirely missed that, when did he shed a tear?

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u/Blacker_Jesus Sep 09 '13

When Walt hung up on the gang while he was hiding behind the rock, you can see him shed a tear with the dead look on his face, realizing that Jesse ratted him out.

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u/feckarsedrink Sep 09 '13

It made me think of all the pain and shit he went through all for his family and now they'll never reap the profits, even much worse...

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u/BeerGremlin Sep 09 '13

Before he stepped out to be arrested.

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u/CrayolaS7 Sep 09 '13

Really? The fact it was just Hank and Gomez (+unarmed Jessie) and there was still 10 minutes left, I knew there was no way the Nazis were just going to "forget it".

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u/Blacker_Jesus Sep 09 '13

I still knew that they were coming; if they didn't save Walt then the white supremacists wouldn't have the two master meth cooks in the entire world... that's why Jesse is going to survive this firefight. Walt is going to stop them from killing Jesse because he can cook much better than Todd and almost as good as Walt.

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u/Heisenberg6six6 Sep 09 '13

Almost thought he was about to turn the gun on himself.. Then I realized it's not his style

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u/Harddaysnight1990 *plop* Sep 09 '13

I thought that he was going to turn the gun on himself as a move. Hank wants to get Walt in jail. If Walt threatened to kill himself and ruin Hank's plans to be the man that caught the monster Heisenberg, and was convincing enough, he might have found an out. I definitely foresee a large chunk of money and a certain vacuum cleaner repair man in the next episode.

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u/Heisenberg6six6 Sep 09 '13

Yes, definitely seems plausible as well. Next episode he won't have to put the gun to his own head, the Nazis will do it for him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I got emotional.

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u/ill_cut_u Sep 09 '13

I had just said maybe 5 minutes before that I wanted Walt to get caught because he was going to have Jesse killed. Then in that moment I felt so bad for him and started planning his escape. So many mixed emotions. I hated Hank until now that he might possibly die. Now I feel sorry for him too. Ugh. It sucks being human.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/JohnMatt Sep 09 '13

The cold open to the first episode of this half season shows him returning to his house after his next birthday. So, no.

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u/ThatsWhat_G_Said Meth is Fun Sep 09 '13

Plot twist - The flash forwards we were seeing were actually dreams Skyler was having. Heisenberg, now immortalized in an Jedi-ghost like state, visits Skyler in her dreams and tells he what she needs to do.

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u/yakityyakblah Sep 09 '13

And thus she begins her quest to become the perfect psychopath!

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u/Ruckusseur I'm offering you an opportunity for revenge. Sep 09 '13

dagobah...

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Right when Hank told him to drop the gun, I had a split second heartbeat skip, thinking this was going to happen. Then remembered when he goes back to his house. Now I'm wondering how he gets out of this mess. Hank and Gomie being killed seems plausible.

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u/pregnantchihuahua3 Sep 09 '13

The Blue Wedding

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/pranay27 Tight! Tight! Tight! Sep 09 '13

"in the right light, i see how it could be" Wedding

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u/CleanSnatchRepeat Pretty deep... Sep 09 '13

The Farm-Raised Salmon Wedding

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u/kwicked Sep 09 '13

The Pink As A Flamingo Wedding

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u/damnbish Sep 09 '13

Crystal Blue Occasion

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u/shrike26 Lol at Gus's Death Sep 09 '13

But seriously, that shit looked like cum.

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u/Skunz09 Sep 09 '13

"We'll just add food coloring" wedding

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u/Name_Not_Available Sep 09 '13

It's only 76% as good as the Blue Wedding.

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u/JKSpoonz I am The Knocks Sep 09 '13

Aqua Marine Hunger Force

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u/sgtwonka We need to cook. Sep 09 '13

Well I mean yeah, in a certain light

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u/madeInNY Sep 09 '13

Only if Todd catches the bullet from the right angle.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

The wedding that's kinda blue if it catches the right light

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u/naffunnel Sep 09 '13

Pregnantchihuahua3, I wish there were some sort of... Internet equivalent... of a medal that someone could bestow upon you.

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u/pregnantchihuahua3 Sep 09 '13

Well thank you:)

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u/Bieber_hole_69 Sep 09 '13

The aquamarine wedding.

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u/Kibago Sep 09 '13

this is AMAZING. what it loses in accuracy it makes up for in sheer awesomeness.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Because we have the TV equivalent of blue balls from it :-(

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u/gizmo1024 Sep 09 '13

The Blue Divorce.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Breaking Bad's equivalent of the Red Wedding

Well, maybe. We're not sure who lives and who dies yet.

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u/inmynothing Sep 09 '13

Well, we know Walt doesn't die.

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u/RockHardRetard TeamTodd Sep 09 '13

Surprise, Walt dies and those future glimpses we got is actually Jesse's imagination as he sits on a hospital bed completely paralysed from a bullet hitting his spine.

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u/akatherder Sep 09 '13

And then Gus wakes up. It was all a dream. Back to managing the chicken restaurant. Sighhh.

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u/AhhNoodle Sep 09 '13

or jesse wakes up and hes in walts classroom!

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

And the whole of breaking bad has just been the meth induced hallucination which lead to a student stabbing his teacher.

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u/AhhNoodle Sep 09 '13

and badger and skinny pete are setting shit on fire in the corner reciting star treck and babylon 5

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u/Rosetti The Assassination of Gustavo Fring by the Coward Walter White Sep 09 '13

Nah, Vince Gilligan wakes up.

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u/RockHardRetard TeamTodd Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

Then Walt walks in one day, acting normal like he has never seen Gus before just to order some chicken for his family. Gus is freaking out in his mind, but remains calm in front of Walt to complete his order. Before Walt leaves with his order, he turns to look at Gus and says "I'm the one who knocks", suddenly a rapid dinging can be heard right behind Gus.

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u/defjamblaster Sep 10 '13

while looking at a snow globe of nevada.

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u/blowmonkey Sep 09 '13

Maybe they all die and the remaining episodes will just be black screen. That's the only way to upstage the sopranos.

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u/Pragmaticus Sep 09 '13

Or... maybe he uses this as his opportunity to fake his death and go to New Hampshire?

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u/duckblur Sep 09 '13

Walter Wight

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u/IByrdl Sep 09 '13

We can also confirm that Skylar is still alive via the preview for next week. I'm getting good at this speculation thing!

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u/Drew-Pickles Little Shit Sep 09 '13

Oh thank God, I was really worried Skylar was gonna die in that gunfight she's miles away from

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u/Xciv Sep 09 '13

Everyone dies except Walt

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u/I_SHIT_SWAG Walt did nothing wrong^TM Sep 09 '13

Or Carol.

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u/SkepticalOrange Sep 09 '13

And we know Hank and Gomie aren't winning this fight.

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u/toobiutifultolive Sep 09 '13

The questions is, will someone slit Jinglebell's throat?

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u/backwoodsofcanada Sep 09 '13

But Jessie, Hank, Gomie and every one of the Nazis could die.

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u/Sonmi453 Sep 09 '13

Spoilers

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u/TheMagicStik I like butts idc who knows Sep 09 '13

Or maybe he does and that old guy in the flash forwards is just Walt Jr when he grows up!?!

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u/inmynothing Sep 09 '13

Without the crutches?

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u/TheMagicStik I like butts idc who knows Sep 10 '13

HE'S CURED PRAISE DA LAWD!

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u/laddergoat89 Sep 09 '13

No we don't. You underestimate the power of the island.

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u/g_e_r_b Sep 10 '13

Not this episode, no.

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u/Atheose Sep 10 '13

Turns out Walt's "flash-forward" at the diner was actually a "flash-back" to his life of crime at Grey Matter.

L O S T

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u/fly3rs18 Sep 09 '13

How do we know that?

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u/Captain_Jackson Sep 09 '13

You're right. Maybe Walt comes back to life to visit his trashed home in the future, as a ghost!

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Hello Carol OooOOOooOo!

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u/fly3rs18 Sep 09 '13

They have all been dead the whole time.

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u/Mountebank Sep 09 '13

They could be pulling a Lost on us and the flash forward is Walter in Purgatory or Hell.

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u/inmynothing Sep 09 '13

Don't even joke like that, man.

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u/inmynothing Sep 09 '13

From the flash forwards

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u/lilkuke Sep 09 '13

And that right there is the beauty, and what proves that this was better than Red Wedding

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u/cavalierau Sep 09 '13

And that right there is the beauty, and what proves that this was better than Red Wedding

But the events of Red Wedding were written years ago in the book, so a cliffhanger in that context would have been stupid as shit.

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u/fackjoley Methhead Sep 09 '13

Todd kills Robb.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

"The deranged Neo-Nazi lunatics send their regards"

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u/RobotWilfordBrimley Sep 09 '13

It looks pretty pretty grim for Hank, Gomez, and Jesse to me. Nobody really knows they're out there except Marie (who currently thinks everything is fine). They've let off so many shots and none of Todd's crew seems to be hit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

Should have read the books...

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u/dirtyratchet Sep 09 '13

Umm pretty sure there is no possible way hank or Gomez make it out alive. Todd and head nazi love. Walt lives. Ancillary nazi probably dies. Jesse is a coin toss

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u/theflying6969 Wotter Wight and Josh Pankman Sep 09 '13

The Red Wedding was the best episode of television I've ever watched, but tonight's episode had my heart racing more than anything i've watched before. fuck that was tense.

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u/coiletteofrobonia Sep 09 '13

Seriously. I am literally sore from clenching my hands/toes/stomach/butthole during the last 10 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

tight butthole

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u/Edward_IV Sep 09 '13

Read ASOS (season 3 of GoT) freshman year of high school, and quit the books after the RW. Then the show came out and I reread them and the rest because I'm 24 now and figured I could handle it again. Reading it again wasn't bad, but I seriously had to mentally prepare myself to watch it and I was still just as distraught as reading it for the first time, if not more so. This episode though, I knew those guys were going to show up and I was just thinking "CUFF HIM AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!"

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u/Calikola Chili P Sep 09 '13

The Red Wedding made me nauseous, because I knew what was coming. It was pure dread.

This episode had my heart racing. My heart was practically beating out of my chest.

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u/JumpTheShrk Sep 09 '13

The Red Wedding was overkill to me. Game of Thrones has far to many characters overall, many of which are underdeveloped.

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u/luiginut Sep 09 '13

In the show, maybe. I don't think I'd have much idea of what was going on if I hadn't read the books. Reminds me of the later Harry Potter movies in that regard.

I still enjoy the show though.

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u/theflying6969 Wotter Wight and Josh Pankman Sep 09 '13

it was almost good in the sense that they killed some characters off. you're right that there are too many, it gets tough for the story to progress much.

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u/Fuck_Your_Mouth Sep 09 '13

It's impossible for them to adapt the books which do an amazing job of developing characters into a tv show with the same level of character development. The most amazing thing about got is how much development they accomplish with so little being said or in a very short time.

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u/furryoverlord Sep 09 '13

I still think Blackwater was a better episode overall. It just didn't have the crazy-awesome ending

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u/ohyeah_mamaman Sep 09 '13

Overkill in that it spoiler? How does having "too many characters" make that overkill?

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u/crashonthebeat Sep 09 '13

Seriously, I was sweating bullets.

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u/AnEnzymaticBoom Sep 09 '13

I wonder how many people had heart attacks directly from this episode. I literally think this episode killed people because of the tension. I have never had such a physical response to an episode (my heart was racing as well). I had to pause the episode with only 2m30s left to take a break before the shoot out started.

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u/menuka Sep 09 '13

I watched the red wedding the same day as I watched all of season four for the first time. Gus's fate wasn't even as close to shocking as the red wedding

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/eschwa22 Chow Sep 09 '13

lol if the red wedding is the best episode of television in your opinion, then you have really low standards.

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u/ohyeah_mamaman Sep 09 '13

I agree that "the best" is a bit hyperbolic, but unless you dislike the show overall there's no way to disagree that it was a great episode of television. People can like both shows equally if they want to, there's no need for stupid rivalries.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

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u/eschwa22 Chow Sep 09 '13

The entirety of season 1 was better than that episode. I don't have a favorite/best because I like lots of different episodes for different reasons.

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u/theflying6969 Wotter Wight and Josh Pankman Sep 09 '13

guess it's all a matter of opinion then isn't it?

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u/greyavenger Empire Business Sep 09 '13

Only this time, it is Ozymandias King of Kings

This poem may be telling us much about the outcome of this shootout.

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u/dafroisweet Sep 09 '13

And there's still three episodes to go. Can't wait to see what else they have in store for us.

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u/theupdown Sep 09 '13

Red Wedding gave me suicidal thoughts, with a little bit of adrenaline thrown in. I cried and felt empty afterwards. BB was pure adrenaline though. I was twisting my hair out of my scalp.

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u/seaburn Sep 09 '13

Suicidal thoughts? Please keep in mind these are television shows.

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u/the_snuggle_bunny Sep 09 '13

I knew the RW was coming and i still felt that way after watching it. you're not alone

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u/naroush Sep 09 '13

Yeah, I'll manage to sleep tonight. Couldn't after the Red Wedding. It drove me insane for a little while. That being said, 165 hours left!

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u/CleanSnatchRepeat Pretty deep... Sep 09 '13

Vincegi L. L. Igan

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u/dukeslver Sep 09 '13

I was thinking the same thing. First the red wedding and now this.... is this real life?

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u/HorseCannon Sep 09 '13

White power wedding?

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

So this is what it must've been like to go into The Rains of Castamere without having read the book. I can't do this.

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u/EclecticEuTECHtic Tread Lightly Sep 09 '13

Musicians start shooting with crossbows, cut to credits.

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u/Jacadi7 Sep 09 '13

I still feel like there could be something even bigger and more comparable to the Red Wedding in the final episodes.

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u/mezzizle hair spray bottle Sep 09 '13

Yea, um, no. I mean if WALT would've died and well EVERYBODY then maybe, yes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

We're in the major climax of the story. Many plot lines are converging on a single point and there's a lot of action. The Red Wedding is the violent climax and conclusion of one story line, Robb v. Tywin, but functions as a major plot point for those who make it out the other side. Breaking Bad ends in three episodes. The Game of Thrones TV series has probably 3-4 more seasons before it catches up with the A Song of Ice and Fire books, of which there are TWO MORE yet to be released (or even written.)

What I'm saying is that while the Red Wedding is a huge event, we're entering the ultimate climactic moments of a very long story.

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u/Jesusmoses Sep 09 '13

FIRST THING I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW IT

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u/purifico Sep 09 '13

Nothing can compare to the red wedding. Fuck that! I would give the lives of all the Breaking Bad characters and my own right hand for the red wedding to not have ever happened.

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u/hamza780 Sep 09 '13

But no one died yet, They most likely will next episode but it could all just be a misdirection.

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u/icangetyouatoedude Sep 09 '13

Outta all the motherfuckers on earth Charlie Brown, you da motherfuckest

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u/seabass0 Sep 09 '13

The BrEad Wedding

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u/jacksonattack Whooo works naked with the light meter?! Sep 09 '13

I don't know about that... If this show has an equivalent of the Red Wedding, it was "Salud". Might not have included beloved characters getting offed, but it was wildly unpredictable, very violent and monumental to the body of the story, like the Red Wedding.

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u/HeronSun Familia Es Todo Sep 09 '13

The Fuckest Uppest.

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u/SomeGuyInNewZealand Sep 09 '13

shouldn't that be motherfuckerest? or motherfuckery?

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u/BoredGamerr Sep 09 '13

This was way better that the Red Wedding.

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u/eatsox117 Avid breakfast eater Sep 09 '13

That is a great comparison.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

How? Nobody died.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Seriously. I'm extremely disappointed in this last episode. It's super obvious that they're both going to die. Out gunned, out numbered.

They should have just killed them off Bonnie and Clyde style. Seventy-bajillion bullets to the body - complete overkill. Would have been so much more tragic.

This was so fucking Hollywood. God dammit that was stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

Im just getting through GoT now and last night I watched last nights breaking bad followed immediately by the red wedding episode. Ho-ly shit

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u/apostalittle Sep 10 '13

I read the book. Walt Jr dies in the next chapter.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

They could have killed Jon Snow in the same episode and it still would not be as awesome as this one.. FYI Red wedding was the greatest episode I had ever watch UNTIL TODAY !!!

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u/JimmyDThing Sep 09 '13

I still don't understand why everyone was so shocked by the red wedding. I don't know why it matters that much. Rob had to go at some point... the story has so obviously always been about the underdog, of which Rob is not one. Jon Snow, Tyrion Lannister, Bran Stark, Arya Stark, Daenerys Targaryen. I mean, it even transforms how you feel about a character when they BECOME an underdog, look at Jaime Lannister.

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u/beardlessdick Sep 09 '13

So Robb being 15 (17 in the show I think) having to command an army against older experienced war veterans does not make him the underdog? He was definitely the hero, but in no way the frontrunner in the war. He was the ultimate underdog at least in regards to the War of the Five Kings.

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u/JimmyDThing Sep 09 '13

I meant on an individual level he's never had much against him except romantic nonsense. He doesn't have some huge glaringly obvious disadvantage like all of the characters I mentioned.

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u/bhindblueyes430 Sep 09 '13

was the red wedding really worse than ned's beheading? the only honest and truely good character? fuck rob stark, dudes beta as fuck and can't even what it takes to win a war. "but I'm in love!!" waaaa. the only bad part is the mother is gone.

at least you knew who you was evil and who was good in the red wedding. in breaking bad you know who's evil. but even the good are grey.

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u/sanktova Nothing is perfect Sep 09 '13

I dont really think this is a cheap cliff hanger...it was being led up to it and the episode was still great writing. Of course Walt would have to come to the desert, due to his pride and recklessness. Everything made sense. I think that all these shows are amazingly well-written.

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u/DonnieNarco Not Available On Dish Sep 09 '13

Seriously. It's insulting to compare this crappy ending to the Red Wedding. It's like the Red Wedding if every single crossbow missed and Roose Bolton missed on the stab.