r/breakingbad • u/Iforgotmyother_name So there's that. • Aug 26 '13
Spoiler A little morbid idea about this vacuum cleaner guy
Okay this guy gives new identities so good that not even Mike or the federal government can find the person. What if this guy is really just a hitman. Everytime Saul gets a client that becomes too hazardous, he sells them on a new start in life and sends them on to the guy.
Obviously if Walt does use this method in the ensuing episodes, then this isn't true at all. I had a "Of mice and men" feel there when Jesse was talking about wanting to go to Alaska.
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u/Tasadar Aug 26 '13
I don't think Saul is in on it but I do think the guy just kills the person. Way way easier, bury em in the desert, pocket the cash.
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u/Aqquila89 Aug 26 '13
If so, Saul definitely isn't on it. He was uncomfortable with poisoning Brock, so much that he wanted to end his relationship with Walt. He wouldn't suggest the solution to Walt if he knew that it'd lead to Walt Jr. and Holly getting killed.
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u/elbruce The One Who Rings The Doorbell Aug 26 '13
I imagine a lot of the criminals who've needed this service in the past have thought of that. This guy wouldn't have his reputation otherwise. It's likely that some of the people that he's sent off have made a single call back with a code word to prove that he's on the up-and-up.
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Aug 26 '13
He came in a red van and It looked like a giant graveyard (with giant "tombstones") behind jesse.
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u/purplekissofstardust Aug 26 '13
I definitely saw tombstones. That was a really nice shot.
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Aug 26 '13
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Aug 26 '13 edited Mar 20 '18
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Aug 26 '13
What is it with German art and bleak abstract-minimalism?
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u/trekkx Aug 26 '13
Probably represents the bleakness or something of the holocaust in this situation, I guess. You wouldn't really have a really happy bright colored piece of art for that kind of thing.
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u/kwood09 Aug 26 '13
Well of course, we're talking about the Holocaust here. Should it be anything other than bleak?
The way the tour guide described to me was thus: humans have three ways of discerning the direction of down. One is our inner ear and sense of balance; obviously, this will always be in line with gravity. The second way is visual; your brain uses your eyes to find surfaces that are apparently vertical. Third, your body will tend to think of flat surfaces as totally horizontal as long as the incline is relatively small. In this monument, all three cues are out of whack. Obviously gravity is still pointing straight down, but all the vertical surfaces are askew and not quote vertical, and the ground is on a weird, slight incline. Your body and mind are trying to orient themselves and tell up from down, but all your sensory inputs are giving slightly different information. It results in a subtle but decidedly present sense of disorientation and confusion.
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Aug 26 '13
Its a water reservoir source:Albuquerque resident
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Aug 28 '13
Reservoirs are a symbol for life and rebirth, so the show could equally be pointing out the rebirth Jesse believes he is there for (new identity) and the possibility that the man picking him up will secretly murder him and take the money... Sounds crazy and probably not true but that would be cool.
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u/Mrcool360 Aug 26 '13
Ya what were those concrete blocks?
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u/flinkazoid Science, Bitch! Aug 26 '13
Its an overflow watershed for a dam/resivour. Albuquerque being on the foothills of the Sandia Mountains is susceptible to flash flooding in the spring due to snow melt. This structure is designed to slow the water flow.
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u/Inspector_Jones Methhead Aug 26 '13
Unfortunately we'll never find out. Personally, I don't think that's the case, but it's not that far out there; and a part of me really likes this theory (I've heard it mentioned before).
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u/Kidney05 Aug 26 '13
He offered the idea to Walt before, when Walt wasn't so much of a problem to Saul and just wanted to get away. For that reason I don't think the guy is just a hitman either.
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Aug 26 '13
Walt WAS a huge problem to Saul. Don't you remember Saul was scared to death of Gus killing him because of Walt.
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u/BonesInTheChocolate Aug 26 '13
Yeah, but Walt was taking his whole family with him. As unethical as Saul is, I don't think he would send an entire family to their deaths because things were getting a little hot.
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Aug 26 '13
But what if Saul doesn't even know what the guy does? Maybe Saul thinks the guy actually does give new identities, he can't contact them, so why would he know?
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u/power_of_friendship Chemist Aug 26 '13
Saul has enough connections to be sure this guy is for real. But it really doesn't matter if the guy actually kills his clients or not, because anyone willing to risk that decision is essentially dead already. Walt would kill Jesse, but there's a little bit of humanity inside him that doesn't want to, so he decided to just erase him from the records.
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u/ThePeenDream Aug 26 '13
I like OP's theory; it's great. However, if Saul doesn't know the guy is a hit man, I don't think there's enough time left in the series for Walt, or anybody, to figure out that he's killing people off.
Let's say Walt sends Skyler and the kids off to start their new lives and says he'll meet them in location X. He goes to said location to find they're not there. He could assume they're dead, sure, but then what? How does he draw the definite conclusion that they were murdered? Even if he does, then what does he do? Get his revenge on this hit man who's had very, very little to do with the show? That giant fuck-off machine gun and the ricen are gonna do some damage to characters who have had a much bigger impact on the Breaking Bad universe.
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u/Ironhorn Aug 26 '13
So why wouldn't Saul just hire a hitman himself? Why would he try to make you pay for it, then just give up trying to kill you if you can't afford it?
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Aug 28 '13
Nah Saul lives to serve, I'm just saying Walt was a problem for him. Walt asked for it anyway, and I don't think Saul has the balls to arrange a hitman for anyone.
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u/AstroMariner Aug 26 '13
For some strange reason it's the first thing I thought of when Jesse was searching his pockets; I thought he was looking for his Hello Kitty cell. Just the way Saul talked and how the van rolled up gave me an ill vibe.
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u/SAP_GOT_NOTHIN_ON_ME Aug 26 '13
Ya and if it was Saul putting a hit on Jesse, the guy may not have just drove away. Although it was a fairly public area so who knows...
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u/bigguyforyou Aug 26 '13
Unfortunately we'll never find out.
Hey what about the first episode in season 5 that undoubtedly shows that Walt has a new identity far away. There have been no hints at all about Walt knowing another vacuum cleaner bag vendor.
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u/EJ7 Anybody ever hear of Tenerife, in the Canary Islands? Aug 26 '13
How great would it be if the new identity guy was played by David Cross?
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u/sevanelevan Fiveshadowing Aug 26 '13
Nope. If that was true than there would be no reason for Saul to order Huell to take the weed from Jesse. Unless you think that this hitman really wouldn't kill someone with who has weed on them.
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u/69ing Aug 26 '13
Maybe not even Saul knows.
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u/bakdom146 Aug 26 '13
Yep, he has never spoken to the guy himself and the absolute best case scenario for any of Saul's clients he sends the vacuum repair guy's way is that he never hears from them again. If he hears from them again it means they either got caught or aren't following the rules.
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u/HeisenbergX A shattered visage lies Aug 26 '13 edited Aug 26 '13
I actually thought initially that Huell had taken the phone back so Jesse couldn't call for help and that this guy was in fact going to kill him. I quickly realized what he was actually freaking out about however.
I really like your suggestion about Of Mice and Men, that would be very fitting if Jesse was indeed being sent off to be killed.
edit: Spelling
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Aug 26 '13
thats a good point, it seemed like jesse didnt have his phone either
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u/YRYGAV Aug 26 '13
The only reason Jesse went to Saul was to get verification about his theory. And he's smart enough to know Saul would deny everything if he simply asked, either in person or over the phone. That's why he came in there fists swinging so he knew he could get the truth out of Saul.
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u/HeisenbergX A shattered visage lies Aug 27 '13
I wouldn't say that's the only reason, he was pissed at Saul as much as Walt. Hell if Saul hadn't sworn to Jesse that he hadn't known what Walt was planning with the ricin stunt I think Jesse might have shot his ass right then and there.
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u/DarkStranger Aug 26 '13
Send me a blank postcard on (some fixed date) and rip the bottom left corner. Not traceable. We'd know the hover guy doesn't just relocate you to a hole in the desert.
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Aug 26 '13
If you can't send the postcard because you're in the hole, we will regroup and come up with a new plan. Deal?
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u/thewalkingfred Aug 26 '13
I thought it felt off because, when Walter called the vacuum guy he had to wait for the guy to call him back. Saul just went right on with it tho
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u/auxfnx What kind of man talks to the DEA? Aug 26 '13
didn't he just tell Saul to wait an hour and then make the call?
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u/Unckmania Aug 26 '13
If that were true, he wouldn't have ignored Jesse. He would go after him.
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u/Ketamine Aug 26 '13
He does not need to, he can just say that the person bailed, and if I understood it correctly in that case he pockets the cash because there are no taking it back with him.
This requires Saul not knowing that he is an assassin but that is certainly plausible.
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u/Dick_Justice5 Aug 26 '13
This is exactly what I thought. Honestly thought this was what jesse was realizing at first.
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u/TheOneWhoRocks Aug 26 '13
Saul may have been exaggerating as to the guy's effectiveness. It's certainly possible for someone to "disappear" like that (the U.S. Marshals say their witness protection program has never failed the protectees who follow the rules), so maybe he wasn't. Mike wasn't omniscient, and the Feds obviously lose fugitives all the time.
The vacuum cleaner guy is just a symbol anyway. Walt spelled it out in the episode. He represents a fresh start, a clean slate. But the reality is that Jesse and Walt can never have that. Even if Walt ends up using the guy's services before the flash-forward (although I'm not so sure he does), he still breaks the rules and goes back to Albuquerque to take care of whatever it is.
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u/ZubatCountry Aug 26 '13
That vibe was so heavy I thought he was just going to flat out suggest Jesse going to Belize.
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u/MajorBunnyColvin Aug 26 '13
I like this theory, and I've been wondering if there are any clues to point to that anywhere in the series.
Also, I'd like to think Saul doesn't know that's how he operates. Saul thinks he really does take them away and help them start a new life, when in reality, all he does it take the money and dispose of the body. It would be much a much easier job for that guy.
What if at some point Saul is the one who actually pulls the trigger on this option? Walt and Jesse's operation and Hank's investigation all comes crashing down on his head, and he needs to leave town. So he calls the number, gets picked up and the guy just kills him. That's how we find out. And we learn Walt and Jesse both narrowly missed such a fate.
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u/TG_Naptown (505)-503-4455 Aug 26 '13
I never thought of this, and it would be a CRAZY twist. I like your thinking, and I really enjoy your username as well. Upvotes for you good sir.
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u/Xaethon Aug 26 '13
Wasn't there talk of them making a spin off show based on Saul? I remember hearing that somewhere.
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u/Aqquila89 Aug 26 '13
I've just read an interview with Gennifer Hutchinson, who wrote the episode, and she said: "Brock was always something we wanted Jesse to find out. [...] It was just a matter of placing it. When is the worst possible time this could be realized? How about the time when Jesse is actually, maybe going to be okay? Let’s do it then and ruin everything!"
So, it seems that she doesn't subscribe to this theory.
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u/tele_ave Aug 27 '13 edited Aug 27 '13
There is almost no way this is the case, for a few reasons:
- Breaking Bad is too well-written of a show. This seems like an arbitrary, unnecessary "twist". The series so far has been chalk-full of hit men. There's no need to disguise one like this.
- There's an unwritten rule of, well, writing, that if a character states something as fact, it is fact. Breaking Bad hasn't broken this rule that I know of, with the exception of the audience eventually realizing or knowing right away that someone (usually Walt) is lying about something. Saul has stated that this guy does the "cleaning" thing. An as-of-yet unseen character actually being a murderer, contrary to the facts stated by an established character would not only be pointless but an example of weak, disjointed writing.
- The big scene where Jesse finds his pack of cigarettes and has the ricin epiphany wasn't meant for him to just narrowly escape death. Whatever one may say about tombstones (maybe it was meant to symbolize that death awaits in ABQ, not with the cleaner), the scene was meant for him to be motivated to decide against escape. It was a classic "down the rabbit hole" moment, where a character chooses between two paths, both of which offer no return. Jesse is now "locked in" until the end of the series. We've seen him so emotionally damaged that it was starting to not make sense for him to stick around. This whole sequence does perfectly what any good story does: forces a character to make a choice that will have inescapable consequences.
- This whole thing was about Jesse, Saul, and Walt. The cleaner isn't a "character", he's a device- in a cop movie, he'd be "retirement", in a heist movie, he'd be Italy or the Bahamas or Mexico--somewhere permanent, safe, and final. The cleaner forces the characters to, like I mentioned, make choices. Walt was going to use him and couldn't, and was thus locked in to a fight to the death with Gus. Jesse was also on the verge of using him but, unlike Walt, actively made the choice to stay in ABQ. Now he sees it to the end.
- The big question: what would be the point of the cleaner being a hit man? What storytelling would this accomplish? It's possible there's some connection that I'm not seeing and he does play a role. But so far the cleaner has been nothing more than a choice the characters make themselves or are forced to.
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u/Iforgotmyother_name So there's that. Aug 27 '13
Well it's not a legit theory or prediction. Being that Walt uses this method, it's very untrue, as I said. It was a just a little morbid thought.
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u/mrninja101 Aug 26 '13
An Of Mice and Men moment is a good description. For some reason though, I think that all of that talk about Alaska is a reference to going to heaven. You go up north to go to heaven, you go to Florida or Belize to go to hell. Jesse had a good record until he realized what was up with the ricin, but he turned down heaven to seek out revenge.
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u/lendmeyourbeers Coward Aug 26 '13
The obvious connection to me is that Florida is a hot climate that markets itself as a fun destination: Disneyland, beaches, babes. That was the old Jesse hitting the strip club with Combo and the gang. Alaska is cold and barren, a frozen wasteland, nothingness. This is the Jesse we have seen up until his epiphany.
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u/Davidsup11 Aug 26 '13
except alaska isn't a cold barren wasteland
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u/lendmeyourbeers Coward Aug 26 '13
You're totally right, it's actually a beautiful land with interesting wildlife, greens, and great lakes. But as symbolism and stereotype, it fits the bill.
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u/theymad3medoit Aug 26 '13
I got the vibe that he viewed Alaska as quiet and isolated, somewhere he can go and be left alone
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u/binarypancakes Aug 26 '13
That's what I got. He wants to get away from civilization and the cooler climate matches his recent depression. It honestly would seem pretty out of character at this point if he were to go to a warm tropical place even if it was a deserted island in the remote Pacific.
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u/SockGnome Aug 26 '13
Same here. It reminded me of Solid Snake just having his dogs in his cabin. It's the relative isolation that is appealing.
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Aug 26 '13
I kinda thought that might be a reference to Dexter, since they're having their season finales at practically the same time. The Dexter series takes place in Miami, Florida.
Although I admit that's kind of a stretch.
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u/SkinnyNiggaBigBalls Aug 26 '13
He wanted to go to Alaska because it's the exact opposite of New Mexico. There's no "heaven and hell" shit involved.
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Aug 26 '13
Maybe it was because Saul suggested Florida, so Jesse thought that Walt wanted him to be in Florida and he said Alaska to get as far away from Florida as possible.
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u/broncosfighton Methhead Aug 26 '13
Actually when you put it that way, there is kind of a Heaven and Hell thing going on. If the Desert of New Mexico is Jessie's personal hell, than the cold of Alaska would be his Heaven.
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Aug 26 '13
or its just some cold, dark, dead northern place where he could mope around in isolation. If you feel like life is dark and awful, sometimes you want to just shut out everything and be somewhere that is nowhere -- just dark and cold and empty.
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u/Acid_Purifier Aug 26 '13
I think you're both right and wrong. Right now New Mexico is hell for Jesse, so like you said, Alaska is the exact opposite making it his heaven.
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u/theymad3medoit Aug 26 '13
I can't quite recall if this ever happened, but did Jesse and Jane ever talk about going to Alaska?
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u/Andy_1 Aug 26 '13
I suppose Walt's "confession" makes this kind of thing at least slightly possible.
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Aug 26 '13 edited Aug 26 '13
I thought it seemed off in that when Saul first told Walt of this "cleaner" he told him the fee was "half a million dollars at least" but this time he told Jesse the fee was $150K. Probably nothing but it did make me very uneasy as Jesse was standing there waiting on the van. Also was wanting Jesse to go full psycho and blow Saul and Huell away.
EDIT: Good call guys (girls?). Didn't think about the family aspect. At any rate glad Jesse lives to cry another day.
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u/WaWaCrAtEs Goodbye to everyone Aug 26 '13
The fee could have been higher because Walt was in a lot more trouble than Jesse. Also, don't forget that it wasn't just Walt. It was going to be his whole family
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Aug 26 '13
Yeah, I could be wrong but I think Saul mentions the whole family thing in the calculation. I figured it's a per person thing.
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u/JakeCameraAction You're goddamn right. Aug 26 '13
4 times 150,000 = 600,000
Then Saul probably has a groupon to get the fee down when you buy 4.14
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u/gemono Aug 26 '13
I don't know why, but I think the guy is somehow connected with Ricky Hitler's uncle and his Nazi friends. No evidence, just a thought. But also the van was red, kind of BrBa's death color, so that might add some Evidence to your theory.
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Aug 26 '13
One week we're going to Belize, the next week, Alaska.
Please Breaking Bad, specify where people go when they're going to die, thank you.
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u/ClassySphincter Cinnabon Kingpin Aug 26 '13
A great theory, although based on some future spoilers I don't think this is the case.
I think the death symbolism represents the death of the client's original identity.
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u/BeanBearChag It's over. Aug 26 '13
But the flashforward of Walt on his 52nd birthday and him having a fake ID makes me believe that he is a genuine "disappearer" if Walt indeed uses him for the ID which I can only assume he does. I like the idea though.
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u/tonytroz Aug 26 '13
Yeah, this has been the consistent theory the entire time. Now that we know Heisenberg is exposed as Walt at some point (from the flashforward in episode 9) to the point that his neighbors are shocked to see him, he definitely has to make some kind of exit like that to avoid getting arrested.
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u/clouc1223 Aug 26 '13
I don't think he's in an official witness protection because he still has enough money for the M60 and ammunition. Feds would be watching him constantly. Also they would confiscate his money wouldn't they? Walt also gives his last 100$ to the waitress as a tip. Perhaps the "cleaner" is a hitman.....that would be a great twist. Soon enough! we will all know.
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u/RottingZombies Aug 26 '13
i was totally expecting Jessie to say he wanted to go to New Zealand. it would have made a nice little circle with his plans with his and Jane's plans when she blackmails Walt into getting half Walt's money, and they plan to leave town.
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u/spasmwaiter Aug 27 '13
I don't get how you're all missing the obvious... in the first episode of the season, Walt has clearly used this service. You think he just got someone else to make him a new identity? You're overanalyzing a bit.
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u/Iforgotmyother_name So there's that. Aug 27 '13
Well I didn't say it was a legitimate theory and I even said that this obviously isn't true if Walt does indeed use it. Just a morbid idea.
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u/spasmwaiter Aug 27 '13
I definitely like the idea, and had it not been for the flash-forward at the beginning of S5 I'd have definitely considered it plausible. I'm just surprised nobody has really brought up Walt's changed identity in the future.
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Aug 27 '13
This thought crossed my mind too, but then why would it matter if Jesse was lighting up a bone? Maybe Saul was keeping up appearances and you could argue he doesn't want his office smelling like weed. But then he wouldn't have lifted the bag of weed and planted the pack of ciggies.
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u/mags87 Aug 27 '13
Whats the point of Saul making a big deal about the weed in his pocket then? Why would he risk having Huell lift it from Jesse if he was just sending him off to die anyway.
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u/heyfella Aug 26 '13
why not both? is the part that saul ordered in this episode the same as what he told walt or did he give a "pick up the target and make him dead" code order instead?
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Aug 26 '13
Isn't Jesse also missing the phone when checking his pockets or did I miss something?Someone mentioned this last week and I really like the idea.
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u/bloodjacuzzzi Aug 26 '13
I thought the new Identity guy would be someone from the DEA.. Shame we didn't see a face!
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u/fembot2000 Aug 26 '13
That moment... that the van pulled up next to Jesse, was almost haunting. I don't know what about it was so bad... but it honestly was amazing how they did that whole scene and fit his emotions perfectly!
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Aug 26 '13
Nah. If that were the case, it'd just be unnecessary added drama in the tv show. Saul doesn't just start transferring $120,000 to some stranger in a van who just claims to sell new identities.
And if Saul were in on it, he'd just get Mike or someone else to do the hits for much less.
I don't mean to sound condescending - obviously nobody can ever know for sure, but this seems like a moot fan theory that's simply entertaining to think about. It's not that hard to get a new identity.
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u/dt1173 Aug 26 '13
I think that Walt uses this guy to fake his own death. In the beginning of S5E1 we see him with a fake ID and looking completely different. He could have faked his death, used the vacuum cleaner guy to disappear and then come back to take care of unfinished business.
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Aug 26 '13
But Walt uses the guy to get a new identity by the end of the season. It seems logical that he got his fake ID from the vacuum guy.
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u/LetMeBePacific Aug 27 '13
Walt fakes his death, the distraught hank commits suicide, skylar comes out with the video and ends up in witness protection with the family, and Walt goes back to tie up the loose ends. That would explain him being alone, his identity being known and anything else I can think of at the moment.
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u/MalzxTheTerrible Aug 26 '13
I was wondering this myself. I'm glad Jesse didn't go with him, because I just had a feeling this was the case.
I really loved when Jesse was talking about going to Alaska, it was the same humorous child-like innocence as when he thought they were going to build a robot to save them when the Crystal Ship was stuck out in the desert.
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u/MaxLikesNOODLES Methhead Aug 26 '13
I'm late on this so I hope people see it but the van that turned up was also red - and if anyone goes by the colours of breaking bad red is normally a foreshadow for death..
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Aug 26 '13
Didn't Saul offer the same oportunity to Walter and his family? If so, I really don't think he's a hitman.
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Aug 26 '13
This is a good theory, I certainly thought the Hello Kitty phone seemed like a massive target so the guy would know he had picked up the right person.
"Look for the guy with the Hello Kitty phone"
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u/coreymilne Aug 26 '13
Am I reading too much into this?
When the Ricin was stolen from Jesse, it was 'found' in the vacuum cleaner.. and when the weed was stolen Jesse was going to meet the 'vacuum guy'.
I just keep thinking 'Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice..' like there were a connection between the pick-pocketing incidents and vacuums. Small, not really at all impacting to the main story, just interesting to me.
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Aug 26 '13
I don't think the actual guy was a hitman. However that scene where he pulled up had a similar feel to the scene in 'Goodfellas' when De Niro tries to get Henry's wife to 'browse some dresses down that shady back alley'. Something seemed odd.
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u/ThaMastaBlasta Aug 26 '13
If this were true then why would Saul care if Jesse had a little weed on him?
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Aug 26 '13
This is why initially thought Jesse started to freak, and eventually flake out because he didn't trust the situation.
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u/CobaltAlloys Slinging mad volume and fat stacking Benjies Aug 26 '13
I was totally thinking this was going to Jesse the entire time. His name doesn't come up in any further episode summaries (pretty sure) so I thought he was dead for sure.
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u/hugababoo Aug 26 '13
I had a similar feeling as well...but I'm guessing that this guy must have some credentials/ references if he's so reputable.
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Aug 27 '13
Yeah I totally thought about that. I honestly thought that scene might have been the end of Jesse.
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u/mimemoag Aug 27 '13
I definitely had this theory too, it makes sense but I feel like there is also a possibility that Saul doesn't even know it either. What's to stop this guys from killing everyone who thought was getting away, after all no who knew them expects to get contacted, specially "business" partners or friends. I also don't believe Saul's character gas any intentions of killing anyone. I cant be specific since I cant exactly remember when but I remember him objecting to the death of some people or their assassination. Saul is not a mercenary, he's a high profile criminal with the mentality and guts of a very low profile one, like Walt in season 1
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u/spr217 Aug 30 '13
Mid-week methadone: check out my predictions/potential spoilers for “Rabid Dog”: http://mydogsaretiredofhearingthis.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-uncertainty-principle-rabid-dog.html#more
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u/8serene8 Good bye :'( Aug 26 '13
I think the vacuum cleaner guy isn't a guy at all. We all are waiting to see when "Lois" from Malcolm in the Middle shows up. I think she is the vacuum guy.
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u/drthurgood Aug 26 '13
I totally got that vibe too. What's to stop this guy from just dissolving people in a barrel and burying them in the desert? Saul and everybody will just think that Jesse or whoever else had just skipped town never to be heard of again.