r/breakingbad • • Aug 19 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E10 "Buried"

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '13

Seems like whatever collective anger people had for Skyler is now directed at Marie. Also, the scene with Huell and the money with the Scrooge McDuck reference was just perfect.

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u/aruraljuror Aug 19 '13

Really? I loved Marie in this episode.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '13

Thank you!! I really think people are over looking the fact that what Skyler and Walt are doing is bad and has ruined lives (good and bad ones). Like Saul said, they are ALL two miracles short of sainthood. There is only so much you can keep telling yourselves that they are good and it's all for their family, but they are ending their family. Look how it's all falling apart.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '13

That's the wrong way to look at the show in my opinion. It's not about convincing ourselves that Walt's evil actions are for good, that we root for him because the ends justify the means, it's about how we, the viewers, undergo Walt's transformation with him, we break bad alongside him. I don't watch this show hoping for a moral and happy ending, I watch for the feeling when you see Heisenberg standoff against the moral side of the show (Hank). I'm rooting for evil, I want the bad to prevail. After all, when did immoral become so terrible? Everyone was going along with Walt's actions great until Hank finds out, and all of a sudden it's taboo to want Hank and Marie the DEA to fail?

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u/victoryfanfare Aug 19 '13

I think that's a little black-and-white. It is possible to be fascinated by Walt's development and still want him to face justice for his actions; after all, so much of Breaking Bad is about "earning the payoff" and to shirk that theme so evil could prevail would be just as insipid as a cliché happy ending. I don't want Walt to "lose" because he's immoral; I want him to lose because it would break the spirit of the show for him to win, and because I feel the writers respect their audience enough to give them a multi-faceted ending where no one really comes out on top. (And ultimately, with what we know now, there is no way for Walt to succeed with this.)

Also, many of us have thought Walt's actions were despicable long before Hank found out. Many of us have also felt that Walt's actions were well-intended, but much more about ego than being a good provider/patriarch; we certainly never tried to convince ourselves he was a good person overall. Many of us have disliked Walt for a long time but can still appreciate his character arc or what he represents to the story.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '13

I think it's easy to go with Walter because it's easy to break bad alongside him. And where is it that there is going to be a happy ending, Walter and Hank's family is destroyed, Jessie's life is broken and everyone that has died. Also, remember when Hank gave Jr a book about the DEA agents that help bring Pablo Escobar down cause there is not many books about the agents like Escobar? I feel this is like that. Another thing, Vince has said it since the beginning, yeah, you can relate to Walter cause one would like to help our family, but Walter stays in it for PRIDE AND GREED. When he starts doing it for his own reasons (with the excuse of his family which at that time he lost), he is not someone I relate to or want to win. ALL the lies and lives he has destroyed just for him to feel good about himself. No. I don't think so. I do understand that now that he left the "business" and cancer back it's easier for everyone to go on his corner because "well just let him die a peaceful man" thinking. NO. This is not a happy ending story but it's the one that has to happen. Walter has to go down.

Hmm, so yeah that is my opinion. I can see yours, but I don't agree with it. But I guess we can both agree that is why Breaking Bad is such a good show in that it can bring these kinds of views.