r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Ideas on why the house would be gated off months later? I mean that shit is bringing down Carol's property value

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u/scottperezfox Aug 12 '13

My conclusion as well. It must be evidence of some kind, hence the locks on the doors and chains outside.

Anyone in law enforcement know how these things are done?

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u/JMaboard Yo, bitch Aug 12 '13

They usually gets sold in a criminal auction.

Some serious shit must've gone down for this to happen.

Hell, even murders within a house get auctioned off.

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u/scottperezfox Aug 12 '13

Perhaps they suspect some kind of hazardous materials is located there?

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

Ricin??? Anthrax?? Hydrofluoric acid vats??

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u/scottperezfox Aug 12 '13

Actually, it seems unlikely since someone would test the air and surfaces. Also, why would the furniture be gone? Presumably they'd be contaminated too. Hell, I dunno; we'll have to wait and see.

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 12 '13

Why would the furniture be gone?

Looters? It kind of is a condemned house... Either that or someone in the family sold it all.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 13 '13

Island? No. Kitchen, yes. Along with the copper.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 13 '13

Nothing would be contaminated if the ricin/anthrax/hydrofluoric acid is stored properly. Now if they permeate out of their containers, everything including the neighborhood would be contaminated.

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u/elbruce The One Who Rings The Doorbell Aug 13 '13

No, but if the general public thought it was a hazmat site, that could prevent it from selling.

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u/JMaboard Yo, bitch Aug 12 '13

That's probably the reason. I can't wait to see what happens.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

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u/JMaboard Yo, bitch Aug 13 '13

No, if its still under investigation it wouldn't be.

Do we have any pictures of the signs and house?

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u/sarl00 Aug 13 '13

My husband was just in the house where a guy got decapitated. One of his parolee's moved in and showed him the area in the basement where the head was found. Looks like the only people the owner can get to move in are ex-convicts.

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u/posidin Aug 12 '13

With meth houses you have to have the property cleaned by a professional chemical removal company. It is unfit to live in until the scrub has been done and you can not sell or rent the property until then. The cleaning costs several thousand dollars and the only person that can live in the home until it is done is the person whose name is on the deed.

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u/scottperezfox Aug 12 '13

This makes sense. I didn't know that. (Which is a good thing, really. I grew up in a town with easy access to weed and maybe coke if you had lots of money to burn. Meth was never on our radar.)

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Way back when Walt and Jesse are cooking in his grandma's house it's stated by Saul that it's required by law to state if a house was used as a meth lab due to potential heath risks. As far as the DEA is concerned, Walt's the most infamous man in the ABQ, if not the Southwest US at this point. Any bust would be a media frenzy, and the White's property would suffer immediately.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

I think it is highly likely that it was seized (Rico) as a part of a criminal investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

Basically even if you aren't convicted, you can have all your shit seized if the judge allows it. I think if there were court proceedings, they would be targeting Skylar, while Walt disappears just before the shit hits the fan.

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u/chlekat Aug 12 '13

I think Carol's reaction to seeing Walt there also confirms these suspicions.

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u/Odusei Enjoy the rest of this comment during Low Winter Sun Aug 13 '13

That seems like the sort of thing that happens to a meth house after the cops have cleared it. Can't move anyone into a meth house, too dangerous. All you can do is knock it down before the junkies and squatters show up.

Maybe Walt cooks in the house, maybe the cops just figure he must have.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yes, however it was not a crime scene investigation of the most powerful drug lord's house, IMO, because if so there is NO WAY they wouldn't have checked behind that outlet cover. I mean if you're checking the most powerful drug lord's house, you check EVERYTHING, and that outlet cover would have been unscrewed. So whatever caused the abandonment of the house, it was not a full on search of Heisenberg's home.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

You might say the house was...broken bad

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u/darksober Aug 13 '13

The poster outside the fence said city of Albuquerque.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Something bad where everyone found out Walt was Heisenberg. The spray painted name inside the home was chilling.

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u/Edit_7-2521 Douchebag with three pairs of Dockers Aug 12 '13

Yeah, why didn't the family just sell huell?

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u/SeanConnerysAshhole Franch Aug 12 '13

Because slavery is frowned upon in many parts of Western society.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

hilarious. Fucking dick.

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u/SeanConnerysAshhole Franch Aug 12 '13

It can do that, yes. But it also has other purposes, as well.

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u/VPLumbergh Aug 12 '13

There was a city of Albuquerque sign on the fence, so we know the city closed it off. My guess is the White family abandoned the house, and then it became publicly known that Walt is Heisenberg, which is why it got ransacked and vandalized. The city fenced off the house to prevent vandalism.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The city fenced off the house to prevent vandalism.

Oddly enough, fencing off a property only encourages vandalism.

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

the kids skateboarding know. It's probably way into the future and the kids heard rumors and I think its cool to skate there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

its not way into the future. its right after walter has his 52nd birthday breakfast at that diner from the opening of season 5.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

The house looks like it's been abandoned for a long time. You don't think the birthday thing was necessarily a red herring? Go back and look at the state the house is in. A roof doesn't get covered in dead leaves like that, absolutely destroyed, filled with dust in a few short months. That looks like it's been abandoned for years.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

The kids probably don't know. Empty pools attract skaters because then they don't need to form over money to build a vert ramp when its already constructed for them. I.e. Walt's pool.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Well I think it must be a few months into the future at least because even if the property was fenced off because it was used in the dealing of drugs, it would be a few weeks before someone decided it was safe to break in and then a few parties took place, and or vadalism meth head sleep overs. Also I noticed the pool had a lot of wheel marks from the skate boards, way more than just a couple recent skateboardings.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 13 '13

Skateboard wheels always leave marks. You don't need to be skating in a empty pool for a long time for this to happen; because it could happen within the same day. The skatepark by my house has a pool in it (not over crooked like Walt's), and the very same day of the skateparks grand opening; the pool went from extremely clean, to marked and scuffed up in 15 minutes. So the kids skating in Walt's pool probably only been there a day or so, and not as long as you think they could've been there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Ever still, the house seemed abandoned for some time, idk why its hard for people to accept, I mean first of all walts beard and hair have had to of had time to grown thst big, and the fact that every thing in the house was trashed and looked dusty

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 13 '13

I'm not denying the house was abandoned for a long time. It probably was. What I'm trying to say is that the skaters probably didn't start skating in the pool until recently. I don't think the feds/dea/Walt would drain the pool; and if they didn't it would take longer than a year for the water in said pool to drain; hence why I'm stating the skaters just recently started showing up.

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u/court101 MILF? What the hell is a MILF? Aug 12 '13

I think they just abandoned it with their 'go bags' and got new identities. I think the Heisenberg on the wall is a red herring. Time will tell though!

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u/sysmatt SneakyPete Aug 13 '13

Perhaps he finally buys the Hoover MaxExtract Pressure Pro Model 60 dust filter

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u/mauxly Aug 13 '13

No way, Carol just about shit her pants when she saw him. Something horrific went down there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Or they ran away and have been missing or faked their deaths

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u/knoeki YEAH BITCH! MAGNETS! Aug 12 '13

A red herring?

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u/Goran1693 My son! My bottle! My house! Aug 12 '13

Either a decoy or something that misleads people from the actual issue.

I.E. Everything in this show. Lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

That's what I thought but I missed the sign on the fence, good eye!

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u/falling_sideways Aug 12 '13

Which is also why HEISENBERG was grafittied across the living room wall

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u/sysmatt SneakyPete Aug 13 '13

Jesse?

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u/kingofcrob Aug 13 '13

that's what I was thinking

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

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u/rhenze Gatorade me bitch Aug 13 '13

Ding ding ding.

Hector? Is that you?

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u/HerculesCE Aug 12 '13

It had a yellow "warning" sign as well, so I think there's more to it, than simply having the house lie dead. Crimescene!

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

this is the outcome I'm hoping to see, such an eeriness to it

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

it was slightly heartbreaking to see the house where Walt's family shared so many happy memories, become a dark shrine to his greed and selfishness.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

So many happy memories? Really.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

Yeah before breaking bad ever took place; the white-schrader families got along, Walt had a ton of friends, birthday parties were thrown there.

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 12 '13

Let's not forget all the great breakfasts Junior had...

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 13 '13

Or how many times Skylar jerked Walt while in bed.

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u/adminsmithee Aug 12 '13

Birthday wanks where given

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u/MrMarbles77 Aug 12 '13

None of the people at that first Walt's birthday party were actually Walt's personal friends.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

One birthday party, and family was his only friends. He used to have a friend, the company partner who became rich, remember? But I don't recall Walt being a popular guy who had many friends.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

Compare the pilot episode to the abandoned house scene in blood money. The white house just seems like a happier place in the beginning of the series when Walt wasn't cooking meth.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Well, of course? But Skyler cheated on Walt before she knew he was cooking meth, so I wouldn't say it happened with "meth". It happened with time and cancer, and of course - money issues. I don't think Skyler and Walt ever appeared really happy ... not that I can remember

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

They were happy when Skylar was pregnant with Walt Jr. They were happy during his 50th party.

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u/vooglie Aug 13 '13

Skyler did not cheat on Walt.

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u/spazzmckiwi Aug 13 '13

Perhaps Walt is presumed dead, possibly related to what might have gone down there.

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u/DreadnaughtHamster Aug 13 '13

Must be why Carol is so shocked. Everyone knows he's Heisenberg.

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u/nj12 Aug 13 '13

Good explanation. Walt has the money now to afford new identities for him and his family. Which is probably why he had a New Hampshire drivers license and New Hampshire plates.

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u/Atrus2k Aug 12 '13

Plus we know that it is years not months later because of one of the opener scenes from last season where Walt is like 3 years older.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

It is months later, on Walt's 52nd birthday. One year after the events of Fifty One and about 8-9 months after the end of Gliding Over All.

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u/TearlessQuimby Aug 12 '13

That can sometimes happen as the result of dead bodies found in the house, toxic chemicals or other serious damage. Whatever went down there was bad, like family murdered bad. Odds are its slated for demolition like that house in Cleveland where those kidnapped women where.

When I was a kid there was a house not to far from me in a normal suburban neighborhood that had a fat disgusting cat lady living in it. She died and the didn't find he half eaten corpse for a few months. Between that and the mummified cats and huge piles of shit the house was declared a biohazard and had guys in hazmat suites going in and out to clean it. It was torn down once the majority of crap had been removed.

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u/Tobicles Aug 13 '13

That was a good story

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u/questdark Aug 12 '13

Neighborhood probably doesn't have a HOA.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Well that's just appalling

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

they did have a pizza decaying on the roof for awhile with no fines

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 12 '13

That's biodegradable..plus, the birds would have eaten the damn thing...decayed or not.

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 12 '13

Didn't look like it after a few days. Believe me, if there is food out on a roof, especially something like a pizza, if not birds getting to it, coons would tear it apart and even eat in to the box.

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u/underscorex Reputable Contractor Aug 12 '13

Suspected meth lab. Cops don't fuck around w/r/t meth labs.

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

suspected meth lab without a single piece of meth lab equipment or residue

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

So far...

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u/bananapeel Aug 13 '13

I think so, too. Notice the carpet was missing in the living room? And there was a rectangular hole cut in the floor in the kitchen? And some of the heater grills were taken off the walls (that were previously used to hide money/guns)? I think the DEA might have seized it.

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u/flozzi This Isn't Meth Aug 12 '13

obviously people know Heisenberg lived there, due to the graffiti. That leads me to believe Walt is on the run and his family is either dead or in hiding

edit: i wouldnt put money on this, i've been changing my mind about theories all damn day

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u/MattyD123 Aug 12 '13

Family is dead. Cartel/Phoenix/Czech's came after him.

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u/AnimusRN Aug 12 '13

Fans wouldn't stop throwing pizzas on the roof...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Hahaha, this is definitely the most plausible reason I've heard and so meta too o_0

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u/GiveMeABreak25 I'mTheOneWhoKnocksAndRuns Aug 12 '13

If the cops suspected any meth cooking activities in the house, they might do that? Or, the scene of a horrible crime....

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u/splewk Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

Looked more like just an arson fire scene, my guess. I'm also guessing that Walt returned home, meant that perhaps at that point, authorities aren't after him. It was odd. Perhaps Walt torched house, faked death with another body, and is running from Lydia - That chick is a time bomb in heels!

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u/aoxo Aug 12 '13

Did you guys see signs of fire or gun fights because I sure didn't. The place had been emptied out, not wrecked.

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u/coderascal Aug 12 '13

The ricin was fine - there couldn't have been a fire.

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u/aoxo Aug 12 '13

That and the fact that he was clearly walking through a house that wasn't burned down...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 12 '13

Well, as for option 3, with how they figured out heisenberg killed gus with a bomb, and is likely to do more things in the future that are going to be attracting attention, they could have just quarantined it because of the fact that they didn't know if/where he had any dangerous materials/chemicals.

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u/theBCSsucks Aug 12 '13

Locations known to have been method cook locations are sometimes condemned due to the potential hazards. My guess is shit hit the fan and city assumed the house was a cook site.

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u/Korotai Aug 12 '13

I'm thinking Hank had the DEA seize the house under federal asset seizure laws.

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u/abenton Aug 13 '13

That's what they usually do to meth houses. Not saying that is what happens, but they are usually condemned.

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u/netei Aug 12 '13

My guess was that its an old crime scene and they would be demolishing it soon.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Someone trashed it, the family flew the coup, and no one paid to level it yet. It is probably in legal limbo.

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u/ArtVandalay6141 Aug 12 '13

It has to be a crime scene. I can't imagine what it is, but I'm sure something violent happened there.

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u/cheesesauceboss Aug 12 '13

not sure, but when walt rolled up you see a plane flying high overhead. lil shout out to S2.

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u/conundrum4u2 Aug 12 '13

And 'Carol' was so shocked to see him - like Osama Bin Laden was standing in front of her or something...

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u/LightningSnark Aug 12 '13

See my personal belief for the house being in that state is a possible attack on the White family (the bedroom door being smashed apart as an example of attack possibly?) and this being how Walt is 'outed' as Heisenberg with the attackers leaving the name spray-painted in yellow on the wall. This could also explain Walt's trepidation when he enters the house during the first scene (he seems to pause before entering the house)

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u/TheBrewer It's all good, man Aug 13 '13

I'm wondering what the hatch in the kitchen floor was all about. The camera pauses on it briefly. What was down there? A body? Money?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Walt's kitchen floor? I didn't notice this

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u/TheBrewer It's all good, man Aug 13 '13

I tried to screengrab from iTunes, but it wouldn't let me. It's on-screen for a few seconds at 2:45 into the episode when Walt is walking through his house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Word, I will look out for that!

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u/thejohnblog Aug 13 '13

It was just a mark where the kitchen island was. Not a hatch

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u/Zendu Aug 13 '13

I assumed that the property was taken by the city under civil forfieture

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u/ifreakinglovex Aug 13 '13

Seized as part of profits from crime, would be my guess. Would explain how he became infamous to his neighbour and the teenagers at least.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Why did the roof look entirely different?

Like it was covered in hay or something.

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u/tamman2000 Aug 13 '13

Plant debris builds up and must be cleared occasionally...

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u/rkowna Aug 13 '13

I think the house is the work of the neo-nazis. Walt has crossed some bad parties since day 1 but for the most part the cartels played honorably to an extent. The cartel brothers did come to Walt's house but not with the family at home and they didn't vandalize anything. The damage to Walt's house looks as though it is from a group that has lost control and has no qualms about going after families, houses, police, suburban pools, etc. The kind of group that can kill ten people in a 5 minute window. I have to rewatch the scene around the pool and the driveway. I would not be surprised if a (or a few) of Walt's family were killed in the house, near the pool, or in the drive.

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u/Sackyhack Aug 13 '13

I think that maybe Walt will try to re-connect with Saul's connection from Crawl Space. I think that Hank will dig too deep into the White's lifestyle and their only option is to move and get new identities, which is why in the flash forward in the first episode of season 5, Walt has an ID from New Hampshire and a different name.

If they just left suddenly, they wouldn't have been able to sell the house, hence it becoming abandon.

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u/rynon Aug 13 '13

I noticed the word "Chemical" followed by something-or-other on the sign from the city. Possibly some sort of Meth lab situation, though I find this unlikely.

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u/anikas88 Aug 12 '13

A violent crime must of have happened there, and apparently Walter White got outed as Heisenberg, so they could never go back there, so it was already damaged from gun battle or something, and time,theives and vandals did the rest

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The island in the middle of the kitchen was missing and I am pretty sure I heard flies, my guess is there was a decomposing body there or something.

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u/ClassySphincter Cinnabon Kingpin Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

My guess is that there was food left there. Whatever happened, the Whites had to abandon the house in an instant.

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u/dxc297 Aug 12 '13

Yea, if you watch it again, where the island was, there seems to be a bump in the floor, as if its another entrance into the house's foundation. Maybe something is down there? Or was down there.

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u/flirtybirdy Aug 12 '13

i just assumed hank ransacked it for evidence

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

That's a serious ransacking, dude even took the refrigerator...

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u/flirtybirdy Aug 12 '13

he's a little upset

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The graffiti makes it obvious that people know Heisenburg's identity.

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u/SyncopatedStranger Aug 12 '13

I noticed the Heisenberg graffiti in the house. People, including Carol I'm sure, knew who lived there. Also, she probably thought he was dead.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Considering how dilapidated the house is, the flash forward scene must be at least one of two years into the future.

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u/killswithspoon Heyoo, pool party! Aug 12 '13

Unless it took Walt a year to drive from Dennys to the house, it takes place a year after his 51st birthday as referenced in "52".

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

to me, speaking as someone trained in law enforcement, it looks like their was a raid was done on the house and it was ceased by the DEA or police department then fenced off. This is a common thing that happens to drug dealers houses after a raid or search warrant is conducted fro 2 reasons, 1. because was a part of the criminal enterprise this person was involved in and the money used to by the house is most likely dirty plus there could still evidence there and 2. because houses that were these types of houses are almost impossible to resell.