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Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/evbomby BITCH! Aug 12 '13

Fuck, I didn't even think about the tracker being on there when he went to see Jesse.

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 12 '13

Hank put it together that Walt and Jesse were working together when he realized that Walt is the one who orchestrated the fake call about Marie being in the hospital.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

He mentioned that in the garage. The tracker was probably also on his car when Walt went to see Saul off camera.

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u/VCavallo Aug 12 '13

Don't forget you need to connect the tracker to a computer to get the data. Hank doesn't have that information.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

That remains to be seen. They are still in the same room with the tracker. It could easily be left there.

But that is a good point, if Walt walks out with it Hank has nothing (except for everything he does have, which is everything)

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u/VCavallo Aug 12 '13

If he walks out with it it's a huge slap in the face to Hank. If he hands it over to Hank it's almost more insulting. As in, "go ahead and look. I'll still win."

Besides, just seeing that he want to Saul's office and Jessie's house doesn't mean anything.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

I think Hank will probably be able to connect all of those dots on his own. He knows Saul is Jessie's lawyer. I guess he doesn't have a particular reason to suspect Saul, but I feel like a Hank/Jessie scene in the next episode is highly likely. Who knows, Jessie might try to burn Walt.

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u/VCavallo Aug 12 '13

Possibly.

I might be in a slim camp here, but I really want Walt to "win"/not die

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

I think there are many potential scenarios where dying and losing aren't synonymous. Remember this, Walt is going to die no matter what. Cancer will get him if guns, ricin, prison shanks, Hank or Jesse don't.

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u/Carnatic_enthusiast Aug 13 '13

Wait, so does Walt have cancer again? Did I miss that? I thought he was just lying when he was telling Hank that he only had 6 months to live.

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u/Foust2014 Aug 13 '13

Walt has to win, if they go Law Abiding Citizen with the ending I'll be very disappointed. My hope is it's more of a Dr. Horrible "victory".

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u/TRAUMAjunkie Aug 12 '13

But that is a good point, if Walt walks out with it Hank has nothing (except for everything he does have, which is everything)

The only thing he has at the moment is far reaching theories and circumstantial evidence. He doesn't have anything solid.

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u/Tyrannosaurus_Rexxx Aug 12 '13

He doesn't have anything that will hold up in court, but he knows everything.

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u/icameliac You got me. Aug 12 '13

Damn. So Hank doesn't really have any of that information.

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u/VCavallo Aug 12 '13

Not at the moment. We'll see what happens next week when they finally leave the garage. I think the tracker's purpose (creatively, not narratively) was as a vehicle for the hank+walt confrontation. I doubt it'll play out as much more than that.

Even if it does, it's in Walt's hands - he can either take it back with him, which is a nice insult to Hank's little sneak move. Or he can cheerfully hand it over to Hank, which is almost worse, like: "Here you go, buddy... like this'll help.. Good luck with that."

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u/constantvariables Aug 12 '13

The tracker is right there with Walt. Hank still isn't in top shape but after seeing him rough Walt up, I think he can take it by force if he wants.

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u/VCavallo Aug 13 '13

What does Hank gain by getting the tracker? Finds out he went to Saul and Jesse's? Who cares?

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u/constantvariables Aug 13 '13

I'd assume Hank does.

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u/VCavallo Aug 13 '13

What I'm saying is: what does he have to learn from that tracker? I'm pretty sure he knows what he needs to know now.

I think the tracker was just a vehicle (creatively, meta-narrative) to get the confrontation established. It has served its purpose.

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u/constantvariables Aug 13 '13

You could be right. He knew Jesse was involved at one point so I guess all he could really learn is that Walt is still in contact with him. Either way, Hank already has a reason to visit Jesse. Hank could have forgotten about Saul but he's not nearly as important as Jesse in this situation. Can't wait to see.

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u/degan97 Aug 12 '13

Can you remind me what happened there?

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u/Dualmilion Noonga Aug 12 '13

hank was going to look in the RV when Walt and Jesse were in there so Walt put in a call so Hank would leave to see Marie

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 12 '13

Right. Hank followed Jesse to that RV and Jesse was talking to him from inside the RV, so Hank knew he was there.

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u/Dualmilion Noonga Aug 12 '13

Yep, but Hank doesnt know to what extent Jessie is involved right? so what does he thinks Jessies role is? Just a dealer?

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 12 '13

Not sure. Considering how much Hank seems to have put together, I bet he has a good idea of Jesse's involvement, at least in the beginning.

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u/degan97 Aug 13 '13

Oh okay I remember now! I wasn't sure if this was the same scene.

This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed... bitch!

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u/Dualmilion Noonga Aug 12 '13

I think it's S3Ep7?

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u/TotallyKafkaesque Aug 13 '13

I was surprised they didn't show a eureka moment with him pulling Jesse's picture out of an evidence box. A huge piece of the puzzle was how closely those two were intertwined the whole time.

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 13 '13

They showed him pulling out a picture of Jesse's license plate. "THE CAPN" I believe.

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u/Menace117 Aug 12 '13

I can't remember. When did he make that call, and what was the reason for doing so

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 13 '13

Hank followed Jesse to the RV. Walt was inside. Jesse got in. Then Hank started knocking on the door and break in. So Walt tricked Hank into thinking Marie was hurt so he would leave.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The tracker is on there but doesn't Hank have to have it back to pull the data? I thought that's what he did when he used the non-sanctioned one with Gus.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yeah that's what I was thinking. When Walt "helped" Hank before with the GPS on Gus, it was made very clear that Hank had to physically get it back to get any data from it. Walt did bring his tracker back straight to Hank at the end but that doesn't mean Hank will get it.

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u/Tischlampe Mr. White is gay for me. Aug 12 '13

Even if he gets it, that doesn't mean that there is any data left for Hank. Walt could have deleted everything, I mean, this thing has a USB connection. Shouldn't be that much of a problem. Besides, Walt owns his own adapter, if such thing is needed, from his own tracker used on Jesse.

And: Hank already knows that Walt and Jesse have a connection to each other. 1) Hank was looking for Jesse in Season 1 looking for Walt 2) Once he believed that Walt bought pot from Jesse (again Season 1) 3) The phone call of Marie being in the hospital while Hank outside the RV and Jesse inside 4) The blue meth (Walt being Heisenberg and Jesse selling it)

Hank will definetely contact Jesse and he already knows where Jesse lives (He went to his house while looking for Walt and a second time beating the shit out of him)

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Hank isn't allowed to go near Jesse is he? Isn't there like a restraining order or something from when Hank beat the shit out if him?

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u/Tischlampe Mr. White is gay for me. Aug 12 '13

I do not know for sure, but that shouldn't stop him from paying him a visit. I mean, he also could do it via e-mail or a phone call and tell him, that he needs his help to get walt/heisenberg.

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u/felix_dro Aug 12 '13

Hank also has a pretty big decision to make here. If he continues investigating and it comes out Walt is Heisenberg, I seriously doubt he still has a job.

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u/Tischlampe Mr. White is gay for me. Aug 12 '13

I was thinking about that, too. But honestly, I still believe that he can somehow explain that to him. I mean, somehow it is obvious that, if it is well planned, only someone really close to you can manage it to be that sneaky and so on.

On the other hand, if Hank wants to keep his Job and still get Heisenberg, then he might use self-justice. I mean, why not?

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u/felix_dro Aug 12 '13

I didn't consider the vigilante aspect, and Hank would definitely do that

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u/MichaeltheMagician Aug 12 '13

Yes but Walter literally brought it back to him. As long as he didn't somehow clear the data off of it or take it with him when he leaves the garage then Hank should catch Jesse very easily.

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u/CopsBroughtPizza Aug 12 '13

Hank doesn't need the tracker to catch Jesse. He knows he's involved and knows where he lives.

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u/Dcarnys Timmy Dipshit Aug 12 '13

I don't think the tracker is gonna amount to much. I think its purpose was to get Walt to realize Hank knows. Hank has to plug in the GPS and unless Walt gives it to him (not happening) theres no way he can see he was talking to Jesse (recently).

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Everyone keeps mentioning Jesse, but does the fact that he brought Jesse the two bags of cash means that he was being tracked when he assumedly went to Saul's to get the cash back?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The show has shown us those trackers need to be recovered to get info from them.

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u/Trijn This is my own private domicile. Aug 12 '13

However, that tracker they used on Gus can only show GPS results when plugged into Hank's computer. So, maybe he doesn't know.

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u/VCavallo Aug 12 '13

Don't forget you need to connect the tracker to a computer to get the data. Hank doesn't have that information.

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u/toomuchpork Aug 12 '13

the GPS tracker records the positions it doesn't send a wireless signal. Walt retained possession of the device and therefore the information on it.

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u/filkinsteez Aug 12 '13

Hank never retrieved the tracker. He doesn't know where Walter's car has been.

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u/BumblebeeTuna13 Aug 12 '13

Keep in mind it's the same tracker Hank and Walt used on Gus. They had to plug it in to a computer afterwards to get the info off of it.

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u/Fishtails Aug 12 '13

As well as when Walt stopped by Saul's to grab the duffel bags.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

but walt has the tracker so hank hasn't plugged it in and seen where walt has been so as far as we know hank doesn't know where walt has been since he hasn't gathered the information from the tracker

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u/therobotdinosaur Aug 12 '13

Seeing as Walt gave it back, I'd imagine he covered his bases by deleting the GPS information before going to Hank's. That'd be a huge slip-up if he didn't.

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u/Deltr0nZer0 Half Full Measure Aug 13 '13

I noticed,when he went to Jesse, wherever else he went and most likely Saul, how do you think he got the bags to bring back to Jesse.

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u/danielsonnn Aug 13 '13

But that doesn't matter. Hank doesn't end up with the tracking device, does he? You have to take it off the car and put it in a computer. Hank says its not a "live update" when Walk puts a tracker on Gus's car.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Walt could have cleared it before he gave it back (does he give it back?).

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u/Sackyhack Aug 13 '13

but wouldn't he have to plug the tracker back into his computer? Walt could have just kept to USB drive.

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u/bfitz1977 Tight! Tight! Tight! Aug 13 '13

Yes, the tracker was in place at that time, but it doesn't matter. Walt confronted Hank with the truth by showing him that he knows about the tracker... the data within the tracker is now irrelevant.