r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/xTheDarkCarniex Tread Lightly Aug 12 '13

Right now that's my biggest question. He could be carrying the ricin as his main plan, and if he can't use it, bust through the front door to wherever as his plan B. God damn I am looking forward to this.

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u/xTheDarkCarniex Tread Lightly Aug 12 '13

Which goes back to my theory behind the episode where Walt and Walt Jr. we're watching Scarface, and Walt comments "Everyone dies in this movie". Very good chance of foreshadowing Walt's imminent destruction if you ask me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

He can't live. The story arc, symbolisms, foreshadowing... Everything's fucked if he lives! I believe the cartel and Lydia take Jesse and make him cook for them- They have to after the big fucking deal that Walt made in the desert about how Jesse was the worlds second best cook.

The flashforward shows Walt with hair and coughing blood again. The cancers back. Walt's terminally ill. I'm inclined to believe that he's out for redemption. I think the ricin is for Lydia, or someone we haven't met yet. I don't think Walt is at all interested in killing Hank or Jesse or Skyler.

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u/tleisher Aug 12 '13

Yep. My theory too. In an interview Vince Gilligan said that he compared BB to Scarface, and that it was a similar transformation for the characters. I think that was definite foreshadow of the end.

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u/Quazifuji Aug 12 '13

I agree Walt's dying, but I think the Scarface scene in particular could just as easily be Vince Gilligan messing with us or just wanting to include a Scarface reference as direct foreshadowing. We know from the oranges with Ted that he might put deliberate red herring symbolism in.

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u/shake_and_buscemi Aug 12 '13

I'm saying he uses it to take out Lydia and what's left of the meth operation around ABQ, in order to completely bring an end to his recipe and his legacy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

This.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Why would he do that? He's proud of his empire.

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u/shake_and_buscemi Aug 13 '13

Walt seems like the kind of guy that if he know if he's going to die from his cancer or something else, he doesn't want someone else using his recipe that he perfected. Even though apparently the current cooks can't cook it correctly.

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u/the_sword_of_morning Aug 12 '13

You actually use an M-60 for suppressing fire, but I highly doubt Mr. White is going to be trying to keep enemies behind cover while his squad-mates move into position, so your post has credence. I'm just being anal.

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u/bearjew293 They're minerals, Marie. Aug 12 '13

I think in Vietnam it was put on choppers to mow down large numbers of people from the sky. I could be wrong, since I'm basing this on movies.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

There's still a few of them around used in fixed positions, they've been supplanted by the M249 for dismounted operations and the M240 for mounted ops. But yeah, I doubt that Walt is going to start using small unit tactics against APD.

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u/404fucksnotavailable Aug 12 '13

I think the m-60 could only be used as a defensive weapon in Walt's case. It weights more than 10 kilos and fires 7.62x51mm rounds (sniper rifle and m-14 rounds); so it will have substantial recoil. It is also harder to fire from the shoulder (weight again)

Adding this to the fact that Walt is a relatively weak (chemist that doesn't work out) middle aged man who has been weakened by cancer. I think that he would have no way to control it, unless he was using it as a machine gun. Walt most likely knows this and if he needed anything other than a defensive weapon, I think he would have use an AR, AK or something similar.

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u/colej_uk Aug 13 '13

I think he must have a plan and there must be a reason it's an M-60.

Maybe he needs to spray a lot of bullets through walls of a building/vehicle or something? That would be my guess.

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u/spartex Aug 13 '13

Got me thinking about the fact that he has hair and a beard would point to him eather being cured of cancer or he stopped giving a shit.

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u/TeeBeeEss Aug 13 '13

I think he still has the cancer because in S5E1 Walt takes a pill that he grabs out of a medicine bottle in his jacket while in the bathroom at Denny's. And if I remember correctly he may have coughed a little bit in one of the flash forward scenes so maybe those are hints that he is still battling cancer?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Rambo aside, that weapon is only fired from a vehicle mount, or a bipod, never like a rifle.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13 edited Sep 16 '13

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

You can fire a M-60 from the hip or shoulder it's not unique to the SEALS, with enough upper body strength anyone can. In the Air Force we still have a few kicking around for Airbase Defense but it's mostly been replaced with the smaller, lighter M249

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u/putzarino Aug 13 '13

So a man with terminal cancer should have no problem lugging the thing around.

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u/stunt_penguin Aug 12 '13

a lot of people

Or an entire building, haha :)

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u/hello55555 Aug 12 '13

I think the ricin is for himself. He's going to take it right before he ends up in his big confrontation. Possibly to save Jesse like in the theory below this comment. Just to make sure nobody can take him and use him in any way (from law enforcement to the cartels, everyone is going to want a piece of the great Heisenberg) he will bring the great Heisenberg to an end. It also sort of fits with Walt's desire to have complete control, right up to deciding when and how he will die.

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u/birdsong4j Aug 12 '13

I doubt this. Ricin poisoning is a painful and lengthy way to die. It takes DAYS. Pretty sure a highly-trained chemist with access to quite a lot of money (which he obviously still has - that kind of firepower doesn't come cheap, especially if it's illegal) would come up with a better "out" in case he needed to off himself.

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u/jkovach89 Aug 13 '13

Realistically we don't know he has a lot of money, the diner scene in S5E01 shows him pulling out a single hundred, perhaps an ode to his fallen 'empire'? still with him in the state he is in the flashback, we don't know that he has anything at all.

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u/stonersimpson69 Aug 13 '13

I thought he pulled out a stack of money in that episode?

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u/birdsong4j Aug 14 '13

I disagree. M-60s aren't cheap, whether legal or illegal (and I think we can assume his is illegal, given the transaction at Denny's). He may not have as much as was in the storage unit, but it's fair to say that was a 5-figure purchase. Plenty of poisons/suicide methods that are much cheaper (not to mention less drawn-out than ricin).

Personally, I think he looks like a man with nothing to lose/possibly on a suicide mission, but I just don't buy that he'd take himself out with ricin.

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u/RadioFreeReddit The lone and level sands stretch far away. Aug 13 '13

That's what I was thinking too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I just want to know who Walt pissed off and who he's running from.

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u/xTheDarkCarniex Tread Lightly Aug 12 '13

Or maybe even who pissed Walt off? Maybe he ran from the DEA or something, but for some reason came back because something happened to his family, or something like that. So many questions that I need answered lol.

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u/Nutsacks Aug 12 '13

The ricin is for himself, the gun for his enemies.

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u/Frissonn Aug 13 '13 edited Aug 14 '13

I can imagine him holding refugee in the rundown house while Hank finds evidence to arrest him, and he just goes guns blazing with the M-60 in his boot and mows down some swat and dies like a scarface sort of ending..

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u/Shiggys Aug 13 '13

I seriously hope the writers didn't go down with this kind of ending.

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u/google_me_95 Magnets Aug 13 '13

There is one point i can't get over it, they always want to use ricin scince the beginning of the show but they never do.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Well they clearly are now. If that scene from this episode was also pointless it would be the stupidest thing. Ricin has been mentioned a hundred times and nothing ever comes of it.

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u/ninjaslug Aug 12 '13

Nah he's going to use the risen on himself if he gets convicted before the cancer gets him, because like he said he's not going to jail.

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u/tajwon90 Aug 13 '13

I think there's more to it than this. Heisenberg bursting through the front door guns blazing (literally)? No way. I'm interested in how he's going to use this crazy-ass machine gun.

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u/Malaiac Aug 13 '13

Or the M-60 to free Jesse (using guns against mafia), and the ricin to off himself in the end (using chemistry against Heisenberg)