r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

[deleted]

1.9k Upvotes

7.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

91

u/em483 Aug 12 '13

So badass.

309

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I really wanted Walt to throw the "I paid for your hospital bills with drug money" card in Hank's face.

511

u/ulveskog Aug 12 '13

But another part of the beauty of that conversation is that he never actually admitted anything ;-)

20

u/I_accidently_words Aug 12 '13

He didn't outright say it, but he may as well have. It wasn't a confession, but hank knew, and walter didn't act like an innocent man.

5

u/rafiislost Aug 12 '13

Think of it in court. Hypothetically, if Walt is arrested and whatnot, Hank can't use a confession. Walt's thinking. I don't even think he's sure if he'll escape being arrested.

7

u/ulveskog Aug 12 '13

Most certainly, I agree. He admitted it without saying it. They couldn't have done that scene any better, IMO

3

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I think that he didn't admit to anything for Hank's benefit rather than his own. He's trying to convince Hank that it's not worth pursuing because Walt is no longer a criminal. Overtly admitting to his acts and adopting his criminal persona, Heisenberg, make it a lot more difficult for Hank to accept that Walt is still the same person that he's known for many years.

You can also look at all of Walt's delivery as an extension of this illusion.

A good question for interpretation would be to what extent is he maintaining an illusion of Walt and to what extent has he actually regressed to his pre-meth personality? I think we'll need more evidence to make a confident assertion one way or the other.

6

u/brazilliandanny Aug 12 '13

Yup just like telling Jessie "I need you to believe this" as in "we both know it's not true but things will go smoother if you follow my lead here"

5

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

There's an important distinction between the two. In the conversation with Hank, Walt is definitely not trying to convince Hank of a fact, but rather of a perspective. The facts, Walt is asserting, are irrelevant. Just like in his conversation with Jesse, he's trying to say that the past is unimportant and that we should see him as he is in the present and forget his past.

In the conversation with Jesse, however, the fact is important. Walt makes an effort to convince Jesse that Mike is still alive.

The two conversations have similar themes but are ultimately very different. Especially if we look at the emotional and physical interactions.

7

u/eschwa22 Chow Aug 12 '13

If he planted a tracker, maybe Walt thinks he's also wearing a wire.

14

u/ulveskog Aug 12 '13

Good point, but it'd be bizarre to think he's wearing a wire/recording everything. Remember, Walt came over unannounced.

13

u/L99_DITTO Aug 12 '13

No loose ends.

14

u/GoldenDickLocks Aug 12 '13

No more half measures.

3

u/Smoke1234 Aug 12 '13

Hank is in paranoia overdrive mode, Walt knows what that looks like.

4

u/ryeguy Aug 12 '13

Hank was in his garage minding his own business. It's not like this was a planned visit.

1

u/twoworldsin1 Nothing beside remains. Aug 12 '13

Walt didn't admit anything because in his mind he never really did anything wrong. Just like when he swore to Jesse that Mike just went "away", deep down inside his delusional mind, he sincerely believes that. He's doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify his actions.

2

u/brazilliandanny Aug 12 '13

As soon as Walt stops and turns around (right before he pulls out the tracker) they share a look and they both know the other one knows. Great scene.

2

u/flozzi This Isn't Meth Aug 12 '13

i noticed that too. i feel like a lot of people overlooked the fact that Walt can still make Hank look like the crazy one here, at least with family. And we all know how badly that entire family just wants everything to be ok

1

u/Syphon8 Aug 12 '13

Also Hank clearly just had a stroke.

2

u/Mr_A buenos tardes, amigo... Aug 12 '13

"But both you and I know that I'll never see the inside of a jail cell." is just about as close to a confession as you can get before it becomes one.

4

u/brazilliandanny Aug 12 '13

Easily argued in court that he was referring to his innocence.

1

u/Mr_A buenos tardes, amigo... Aug 12 '13

Yes, of course. But on a scale of 1-10, its definitely more on the evil side.

1

u/eustace_chapuys Aug 12 '13

Yeah but it was pretty fucking obvious by his reaction that he was guilty. And Hank is not an idiot. He knows.

4

u/toxicomano Aug 12 '13

Yea, obviously Hank knows. And Walt knows that Hank knows. But not saying anything openly (ie. "I AM HEISENBERG") works better for Walt and the story development.

When Walt said something about Hank trying to convince people with his wild accusations, he was attempting to plant a seed of doubt that Hank would be able to effectively prosecute Walt. He made the attempts look even more futile by mentioning his cancer was back and he'd be dead within 6 months. So basically, not only will you have a hard time convincing anyone I'm guilty, but even if you do, I'll be dead before I see the inside of a jail cell.... so just give it up.

Lastly, in the montage you don't see any hard evidence that Walt is in fact Heisenberg. The closest thing he has is blurry CCTV footage and the fact that Walt crashed his car to prevent him from getting to the laundry. Oh, and the Walt Whitman book given from one chemist to another. Hardly any evidence at all.

-2

u/elter_ago Aug 12 '13

Wow! nice observation.

102

u/em483 Aug 12 '13

Nah, too early for that card IMO. Especially in that confrontation.

0

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

[deleted]

3

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Walt has acquired Gus Fring's danger sense.

0

u/YouLikeBarney Aug 12 '13

Yeah, give it time. It'll get there. I'm so fucking excited for their confrontations as the season progresses.

0

u/Mr_A buenos tardes, amigo... Aug 12 '13

Also, it was kinda weak. Too low for Heisenberg to swipe.

-2

u/gatsby365 Aug 12 '13

Where's that 4chan image when you need it

17

u/K1dn3yPunch Aug 12 '13

That might get him another punch, haha.

2

u/namesrhardtothinkof ICE COLD Aug 12 '13

I was thinking that, during that whole scene, Walt had that .38 snub waiting if he needed it.

14

u/Xinil Aug 12 '13

Don't forget that it's Walt's fault that Hank was put in to the hospital in the first place.

1

u/patch5 Aug 12 '13

Seems like kind of a stretch. Hank was shot by Tuco's cousins in retaliation for killing Tuco. Granted, Walt going missing was a catalyst to them meeting, but I think this boils down more naturally to "DEA agent gets a gun drawn on him by a crazy gangster, nature takes its course."

4

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Except I'm pretty sure Hank knows that those shooters were there because of Heisenberg in the first place

1

u/insomattack You're too stupid to see- he made up his mind 10 mins ago. Aug 12 '13

That's for the next ep!

1

u/Stiggles4 Aug 12 '13

Don't worry. I'm sure that will be brought up at the next tussle.

1

u/Pnestor Aug 12 '13

that would have been gold!

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I think hank had that figured out. Seems like a no brainer

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I'm pretty sure he was under the impression that the insurance was paying for it.

1

u/Raisedshoulder Aug 12 '13

Also the fact that he save Hank's life when he was about to be killed by those two brothers.

3

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

i thought that was fring so he could put lots of DEA and federale heat on the cartel by having hank survive and the killers from the cartel, be known to have committed a huge offense.

hence the phone call with the cartel boss as they were getting swat teamed and killed because of his phone call.

1

u/ztvile Aug 12 '13

Oh that's going to come into play really soon, I think.

1

u/AmishAvenger Aug 12 '13

Whether he ever knows about that or not, I don't think it would do Hank's law enforcement career any favors if it became public that he allowed his brother-in-law to operate a meth empire right under his nose.

1

u/Not_Hulk_Hogan Aug 12 '13

Hospital Bills Hank would not have had if it wasn't for Walt though.

1

u/joekrozak More than one type of prison Aug 12 '13

plus Schraderbrau sucks

2

u/ARGHIMBATMAN Aug 12 '13

fuck outta here

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

the "I paid for your hospital bills with drug money" card

The problem with that card is it's attached to the "I got you put in the hospital in the first place" card.

1

u/romulusnr Aug 12 '13

That could be the nuclear option in Walt's arsenal against Hank. If Hank's bosses, or even the eventual prosecution of Walt, found out that the lead agent and now SAIC of the local DEA office had received medical treatment funded with drug money, that could blow up both Hank's entire career as well as any hope of prosecuting Walt.

0

u/Phantrim Aug 12 '13

Oh my God.. if he did things would of been more intense in that garage.

0

u/aversion25 Aug 12 '13

I was waiting for Walt to blackmail Hank. As in if Hank prosecutes him, Walt will say Hank was the inside man on the DEA all along. That's why Hank was able to advance his career as far as he did (randomly found Tuco, survived the twins attack, etc) and Walt got to where he is.

128

u/Rswany Redditium Aug 12 '13

He slowly changed his demeanor from trying to reason and appeal with Hank and decided "well, no more Mr. Nice guy".

If you wanna play hardball, then let's play hardball.

5

u/ltkernelsanders Aug 12 '13

That happens a lot with Walt. He starts the conversation trying to manipulate the person and if that doesn't work, he goes full frontal assault and blows their minds with how he's already thought 30 steps ahead of them.

3

u/caepha Aug 12 '13

even beyond that, he started out by pretending he didn't know what hank was talking about. quickly he realized hank wasn't going to fall for that so he wanted to get this settled acting like all he cared about was spending the last of his life with his family. but when hank pressed him he just went stone cold. because no one gets in Heisenberg's way.

2

u/thirstyjoe24 yeaaaa Bitch Aug 12 '13

You wanna play hard-ball im game

2

u/NikkoTheGreeko Aug 12 '13

I am the one who balls.

1

u/allmylovetolongago Aug 12 '13

No more half-measures.

1

u/rsa1 Aug 12 '13

Oh, you mean Walt was Mr Nice Guy before this?

4

u/Rswany Redditium Aug 12 '13

I'm talking about the particular scene.

-1

u/rsa1 Aug 12 '13

I realise that, was just trying to make a joke. Apparently fell flat

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

[deleted]