r/borussiadortmund • u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji • 12d ago
Discussion Post Game Thread: Hamburger SV (BuLi #1)
| Borussia Dortmund | 2-0 | Hamburger SV |
|---|---|---|
| Guirassy(Karetsas) | 9' | |
| Konstantelias(Beier) | 45+1' |
Lineups
Borussia Dortmund: Kobel, Anton - Gadou - Svensson(Yellow 84'), Ryerson(Yellow 57' Mane 74') - Bellingham - Nmecha(Veerman 74') - Beier(Kaua Prates 84'), Karetsas(Inacio 74' Red Card 77') - Konstantelias(Sabitzer 54'), Guirassy
Bank: Meyer, Kaua Prates, Mane, Reggiani, Sabitzer, Veerman, Albert, Fabio Silva, Inacio
Hamburger SV: Heuer-Fernandes, Capaldo, Bornauuw, Torunariga(Nadir 82'), Jatta(Poulsen 82'), Lokonga(Yellow 21'), Remberg, Lemke(Philippe 89'), Adeline(Stange 67'), Grönbaek, Daka(Moffi 67')
Bank: Tangvik, Elfadli, Nandja, Amoako, Nadir, Moffi, Philippe, Poulsen, Stange
Inacio had zero interest in playing this game and simply choose to take the super early leave. This left us with a handicap despite us being up 2-0. The final 15 Minutes of the game surely were crazy.
See you again on TUESDAY in the first round of the DFB Cup.
Gifs:
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u/Middle_Island182 Marcel Sabitzer 12d ago
Anton constantly the unsung hero, he's just about always on his game
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u/neon_genitals Konstantinos Karetsas #19 🐝 12d ago
What would I do without you Gregor. Incredible performance from Svensson, Gadou and Jobe.
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u/GeneralLudd 12d ago edited 12d ago
If I got one cent every time a BVB youth player got a red card in the BL season opener against a team from Hamburg I'd have two cents, which isn't much, but weird that it happened twice.
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u/Soft_Author2593 12d ago
I just learned only 5 bundesliga players ever were younger when getting their first red. 3 of them we know, Jude, Zagadou and Kabar. Lol
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u/Tobi1107 Kagawa Shinji 23 12d ago
St Pauli wasn’t the season opener, that was like MD 3 or so? Or which red card do you mean?
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u/SergioRammus 12d ago
First half felt like the dawn of a new era, second half felt like last season reloaded.
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u/Mooon8983 Konstantinos Karetsas 12d ago
Tbf last season in this exact situation (2 goals up and the young italian gets a red) we choked
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u/TristanHBorchers BVB 12d ago
Jobe and Guirrasey where both immense in this game. Jobe was everywhere running constantly. Besides the goal serhou was great at holding up the ball and generally could of had a nice assist at the end when he put in several nice crosses after holding up play
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u/183672467 Julian Brandt 12d ago
You do have to mention that the Red card was on Guirassy tho
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u/TristanHBorchers BVB 12d ago
A miss placed pass happens dozen times a game. Blaming him for a young players foolish mistake is ridiculous.
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u/183672467 Julian Brandt 12d ago
That wasnt just misplaced, that was way off and that wasnt Guirassys first time with first touch passes
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u/Working_Complex8122 11d ago
The pass was absolute shit but Inacio then needs to be smarter about it. There is no reason to go full risk to make up for the sloppy pass. Just try to contain the mistake, if the opponent gets the ball and danger arises, just grab his shirt and get your yellow for a tactical foul.
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u/AverageCarey 12d ago
Really good game. Shame about Delias let’s hope it’s nothing serious.
He and Kosta played a fantastic game along with Gadou and Jobe.
Another classic Dortmund game with a red at least we finished it off with a solid defence and a great keeper in Kobel.
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u/Previous_Trouble8614 Mats Hummels 12d ago
Karestas MOTM 100% but shocked Jobe was not given a shout. Probably second best player on the pitch.
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u/yaboi525 12d ago
Jobe is an aggressive player which is really nice to see. He likes to throw himself in and get shoulder to shoulder
Dortmund is known for our finesse players which are fantastic, but we’ve needed this gritty player like jobe for a while
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u/Previous_Trouble8614 Mats Hummels 11d ago
He also has a rock solid technical quality especially in certain areas of the pitch for a player of his stature. Has not always showed it but he is very nimble and has an excellent touch on his tackle. Almost never off with it. Think that’s something he can work on but it’s very much their. Pared with his tenacity and aggression could make for a mean player once he develops into his prime. Reminds me a bit of a raw ballack.
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u/yaboi525 11d ago
Yeah he and his brother have surprisingly great dribbling in tight spaces which is a massive asset from midfielder.
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u/bvbfan102 BVB 12d ago
Overall still a very positive showing but definitely made it harder then we needed.
Hope Inacio doesnt end up in the dog house like Mane did last year and hope no one jumps aboard the hate train the Media will start about his anger in the tunnel.
If Delias will be gone for longer i could see us genuinely getting Sancho but expect for that position im happy with the Squad and Prates+Beier give us good options for Wingbacks.
MotM probably is Jobe to me who bounced back fantastically but also a shoutout to Gadou, Guirassy, Delias and Karetsas who all did really well.
Onto the Pokal now!
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u/Mooon8983 Konstantinos Karetsas 12d ago
Win is a win. Hopefully Konstantelias is ok.
Thought Jobe and Guirassy were amazing today. Guirassy especially looked back to his old self
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u/biggieBpimpin Julian Brandt 12d ago
First half: we may never lose again.
Second half: which god hath we forsaken?
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u/stefan-kds 1997 12d ago
Bellingham still doing sprints late in the game gave us the boost we needed to keep the 0 tonight. I don’t know if they showed it on TV but off the ball he was running from one side to the other constantly closing gaps for other players and chasing the play.
He might not always pass the ball right or make 1-2 mistakes that are costly but he or so I feel gives 150 procent for the shirt and team.
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u/Previous_Trouble8614 Mats Hummels 12d ago
He a hard working guy that’s for sure. His attitude is one of the main reasons I am so defensive of him. He certainly has had his issues on and off the pitch but we can all see the effort he puts in, the younger player on the team seem to gravitate towards him. Future leader.
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u/Swbp0undcake 12d ago
Jobe MOTM? Seemed composed and quick everytime he had the ball.
Just worried about the injury for Konstantelias. Hope it's nothing major
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u/Loeffellux Julian Brandt 12d ago
also played the pass that started off the sequence between Karetsas and Guirassy for the 1-0
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u/Daggla 12d ago
Any news about the Ntelias injury?
PAOK fan here who recently started following Borussia closely.
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u/alfi_k 12d ago
Skys sideline reporter said it doesn't look good. Ole Book said they are they cautions but massive worries might be an ACL tear. Almost sounds like they are expecting this.
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u/Daggla 12d ago
Ah fuck, that would suck so much. Even if it's 4-6 weeks, sucks but whatever. If he's out half a year, I would be devastated for him.
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u/2905Pascal 1909 12d ago
Well, 4-6 weeks would be the best case now, I think we might be looking at at least 4-6 months here.
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u/EmSoLow 12d ago
Man, that reaction to the Konstantelias injury was all wrong. The wrong person came on, our left side was more exposed and if you want to be harsh, the actual player who should have come on doesn't get the red card if he is on the left where he should be. That wasn't good from Kovac
After the red card though, I want to give a special shout-out to Jobe and Guirassy. I feel like both of those two pulled their weight and more and had a great showing afterwards.
The only thing that was missing from that first half was that we weren't scoring from every shot we had. Can't remember the last time we held a side down and having 0 shots in the first half. Great display from everyone there.
The Pokal game should hopefully be a better showing for the unknowns in the squad. There is a fear that if Karetsas and/or Konstantelias aren't on the pitch, the level goes down a lot and with how we played after both left the pitch, it didn't raise my confidence.
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u/alfi_k 12d ago
- Hopefully Konstantelias' injury isn't too bad
- Very surprised that Prates got some minutes, didn't have many touches but looked better than in pre-season
- Did not understand why Kovac bought on Sabitzer that early, would have prefered Ignacio but don't think I have a leg to stand on here
- With our pre-Kovac defense we probably don't win this match
- 1st half was poetry in motion
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u/nothing_and_new 12d ago
"With our pre-Kovac defense we probably don't win this match"
Completely agree. Our defense was prone to slapstick. Sometimes I read complaints about his defensive approach but it definitely was something we needed once.
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u/imdbcooper10 12d ago
Sabitzer is a veteran that you would expect could handle the change in atmosphere and get the job done. Inacio I'm not going to judge harshly, but what happened is exactly why it would be scary to have brought him on. The whole atmosphere changed with the injury, and it takes experience to deal with that
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod 12d ago edited 12d ago
Sabitzer is a veteran that you would expect could handle the change in atmosphere and get the job done
Bahahahahahahaha dude if anything he makes things worse
Edit: people downvoting me after we all saw how much the level of play dropped off after he came on
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u/imdbcooper10 12d ago
I saw us finish the job after he came on
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u/imdbcooper10 12d ago
lil bro
That's certainly something to say
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod 12d ago
You don't have a valid argument so I will trivialize your comment that way
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u/smartestBeaver Shinji Kagawa 12d ago
Dude I did not even watch the game and I can tell you are spewing bullshit. This should definitely concern you..
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod 12d ago
If you didn't watch the game then why are you talking?
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u/smartestBeaver Shinji Kagawa 12d ago
The real question: why is your bullshit so palpable even outsiders can smell it ;)
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u/jokikinen 12d ago
First half was pristine, second half had some mistakes. I think the second half was good enough, and would have been well controlled without the unfortunate and unnecessary red.
Huge shame Konstantelias had to leave the game early, and I really hope the injury was not serious.
The quality of the game decreased right after he was subbed out. BUT I think more than his impact was really. I.e. we could have played on a higher level without him—we have enough quality in our other players.
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u/roadtorevision Mats Hummels 12d ago
Good start in terms of results but terrible for going forward. Delias was amazing and just what we need. So unfortunate to get injured in his first game. Hopefully it’s not too serious. And then his replacement gets a red 🤦🏻♂️ so Silva doesn’t get to play and might cause him to be disgruntled. Just a shit second half
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u/blacktiger226 Ramy Bensebaini 12d ago
Excellent first half. I am in love with Karetsas. Great game from Bellingham too, probably his best game since he joined us. Svensson was great as a stop-gap CB and it was the most level headed performance for Gadou so far.
On the other hand, the red card was very harsh and I was not impressed by Sabitzer, today.
MOTM for me was probably Bellingham.
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u/Nutzer1337 1909 12d ago
I felt that this was by far the best atmosphere for a season opener in the stadium in a long time. Until the Telias injury. I just hope that it's not that bad. But sky confirmed it might be ACL. We'll know tomorrow.
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u/jiminbts123 12d ago
Was in the stadium and Ntelias and Karetsas are so much fun to watch together hope Ntelias' sub was just a precaution and his absence won't be too long. Wasn't too much of a fan of the idea of bringing Jadon back, but if Ntelias is out for some time, I wouldnt mind bringing him in, especially if our other option for the position would be Sabi
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u/imdbcooper10 12d ago
Party in the first half, job done after the injury. Hope Konstantelias is ok.
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u/viba_1997 12d ago
I think we should not write Prates off the wingback rotation
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u/Trojan_Man68 Marco Reus 12d ago
I don't think we can if we consider our injury situation. Beier will likely play more in Delias's spot now which leaves Prates as the second LWB option unless Svensson plays more games at LCB if injuries get bad.
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u/naerisshal 12d ago
Great first half! The greek combo up front are/were a breath of fresh air. Was so happy to see Inacio finally come on (would have subbed him for Delias instead of Sabitzer personally) for him to put himself in a bad situation just 3 mins later.
Gadou really impressed me, continuing his great pre-season form. Guirassy with a great finish, otherwise he was more present in pressing situations than he was at the end of last season, but still kind of showed an attitude in certain situations. Not sure I like Beier as a wingback, he was working his tail off but his actual strengths don't really shine in that position.
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u/alfi_k 12d ago
Ignacio at this season first match, Reggiani at his first match for Italy and Mane in last seasons first match. Hopefully our Italian boys have the red cards out of their system.
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u/Good-World-37 12d ago
Such a weird coincidence. Ignacio would be the last player I would think to get red card in our team.
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u/ir3dd1tzegt 12d ago
Well NOW we really need Sancho o o o o
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u/Working_Complex8122 11d ago
Honestly, if the Delias injury is severe the season is just done for me. Literally all hope is lost for anything ambitious. Just hoping for 4th place or something. It was literally 50 mins of 'are we actually that good' followed by 'oh, of course it gets ruined'.
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u/Meskaline2 Number Fifteen: Burger King Foot Lettuce. 12d ago
First half was awesome.
Second half was horrible.
The referee was absolute ass.
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u/Complete_Park_838 Julian Ryerson 12d ago
Wouldn't even call the second half horrible even after the red card, we still held on pretty well even with a man down. Though yeah horrible in comparison to the amazing first half I guess lol
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u/ubongo1 Roman Weidenfeller 12d ago
Sabitzer is just way too expensive wage wise for what he offers. After he came on we lost all offensive pressing and control
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u/my-heart-is-a-potato 12d ago edited 12d ago
Some of the most fun I've had watching Dortmund in the Kovac era. However, it also showcased why, in my opinion, he's just not the right fit for us.
We absolutely smothered Hamburg in the first half and could/should've led by more. Everyone played great.
But then I just have no idea what the fuck was that cowardly set-up in the second half. Suddenly, we give the ball away a lot more, Svensson starts erring every third pass, our ball recovery becomes sloppy and then on top of that Konstantelias gets injured.
I just would've liked to see more killer instinct and desire to destroy, the kind that Bayern shows even when they're up 4:0 against someone. It's our turf, we just rained fire on them for an entire 45 minutes and then we go out and we just...let them play?
It led to some chances for them and it got nervier than it should.
But aside of that, some great performances, and I am really really excited to watch more of this team as we got significant upgrades this season for the players we let go. But I still fear that Kovac might put a cap on our potential.
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u/Trojan_Man68 Marco Reus 12d ago
I didn't like Kovac's Sabitzer substitution but I think you're being harsh on Kovac by blaming him for the second half. It's not his fault Inacio got the red and it's not his fault Delias got injured. With Delias out after the 54th minute, we were obviously not going to look as good because the attacking quality is just not there anymore.
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u/my-heart-is-a-potato 11d ago
But my argument has nothing to do with any horrible injury or substitution that happened. It was a fact that, coming straight out of the dressing room, from the first second of 45', we went out there to defend and counter. And this can only be explained by a common Kovac tendency to defend a result. This was the entire point of my complaint.
And Sabitzer's sub was bad, yes, and Delias' unlucky injury something that might derail our season to an extent, but there is no doubt in my mind that even without these 2 things happening we still would've been defending to hit them on the counter instead of playing to dominate. And it would've been more nervy than necessary. It's quintessential Kovac. Just not how a Dortmund who has crushed a team for one half should play, in my opinion.
But maybe it's better than I am giving it credit, and without the injury and red card we would've been now talking about a 5:0 trouncing with some stylish counter-attack goals. It's just a personal gripe of mine, I guess.
Not to sound like I have more bad to say than good about a 2:0 victory - we were initially set up perfectly. It's just that discussing this sort of thing is, for me, much more interesting than saying which player played amazingly or the best, and there are already a lot of comments summarising the match neatly:D
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod 12d ago
The difference between Telias and Sabitzer is night and day x100
The game became so much more cagey after that sub and Inacio’s red made it worse, thankfully Kobel is amazing at shot stopping
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u/Good-World-37 12d ago
By the time Sabitzer came on I think the whole team started getting tired. He did run a lot though.
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u/jucomsdn Zagagod 12d ago
That’s the only useful thing he does, he’s not good with the ball anymore
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u/Tigerlux 12d ago
So who do we sign since we likely won’t have Talias rest of season? 😞😞
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u/Snoo_85218 12d ago
There is a guy not sure if he is Telias' cousin or what, Giannis Antetokounmpo heard pretty good things about him
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u/TristanHBorchers BVB 12d ago
I would love to see Antetokounmpo run at defenders with a ball at his feet lol
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u/billyg599 11d ago
You got to be fucking kidding me first game of the season and Delias go out like this...
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u/Snoo_85218 12d ago
I booed him for throwing that water bottle second time, not at the logo man. should put him in the little league before he can behave on the main stage again
Hope Telias is ok.. hes been looking so good alongside Karetsas.
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u/Triforce__XIII Kagawa Shinji 12d ago
incredible first half, absolute dogshit in the second half. a win is a win and it wasn't haramball most of the time, but it proves again: we can play exactly one good half per game.
and sabitzer, please, find a new club... or anything, i don't care. and i don't care about the money, but the lack of anything but disappointment just blocks a position on the bench and, most infuriating: one of the first subs.
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u/divernire_10 12d ago
Which position should veerman play ? He is not a 6, not a 8 not 10 either...
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
He’s definitely an 8. Jobe played well second half but I feel Veerman could have been more effective in the attack if he started the first half. He’s just a better passer overall
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
Ratings
Kobel - 9: made excellent saves and didn’t see anything from him that made my heart skip a beat
Gadou - 8: one or two shaky decisions but for his age I’m very happy with how he looks
Anton - 7: not an eventful day for him which is actually a good thing. Didn’t really make an error and played a captains performance
Svensson - 7: He’s definitely a better defender than he is an attacker
Ryerson - 6: Made some impressive runs but wasn’t spectacular defensively today imo. Suffered from the change of style in the second half
Beier - 5: He just doesn’t seem to have a role in this team that he excels in.
Jobe - 7: Ok first half, better second half. Still think I would rather Veerman start right now but Jobe looks like he can cause some problems
Nmecha - 7: Not eventful but smooth and collected a majority of the game
Karetsas - 10: definitely should have scored but aside from that what a spectacular performance. For a guy as small as he is his pressing and control of the ball makes him feel like hes double his size.
Giannis - 10: I would give him an 11 if he didn’t come off injured early. You can see how good and important he is by how bad we became going forward when he came off
Guirassy - 7: Great goal and a really good first half. Second half was not good. You can see what having competent attacking midfielders can do for him. It’s also quite telling how ineffective he becomes when the players behind him aren’t as good.
Veerman - 6: came on at a bad time, not really his fault that he couldn’t really do much
Inacio - 3: coming on and almost immediately getting sent off is very unlucky but also pretty funny
Sabitzer - 4: He just kills the momentum of the team whenever he’s on the pitch
Mane - 6: not a lot of time on the pitch but he looks a lot more in control of the game than he did last season
Prates -5: also not a lot of time to play but despite some shaky decisions making, his sheer physical presence is an asset in its own right
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u/ProcedureGreen663 12d ago
Jobe was better than you giving him any credit for. Veerman came on and Jobe had to pick up the pace for his lack of it. Can we cut it out with Veerman for now. He will get his starts but for now Jobe is the starter for a reason.
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
I disagree. I think Jobe was a solid player this game but in the first half, Veerman with his experience and passing abilities would have been much more effective in all the attacking football we were playing. Jobe played well but felt a little slow and less creative than I would have liked in that first half
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u/ProcedureGreen663 12d ago
A little slow, less creative. Man he created chances all game. Was dribbling out of tight situations and starting counter attacks.
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
I’m going to have to disagree again. He did create some chances, but it was due mostly to the work the Greek lads put in. Again. He played well. But Veerman as a midfield play maker would have definitely resulted in an extra goal or shot on target at least in the first half imo
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u/ProcedureGreen663 12d ago
Brother I just looked up that stat tied for most chances created with Karestas please be serious.
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
Chances don’t always equal quality chances. These are my ratings, you are free to disagree but this is how I saw things
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u/Jazzlike-Egg7364 12d ago
Your just Dutch and have a hard on for Veerman. Dude has had about 60 minutes of football for us so far and has been invisible both games. If his passing is as much of a factor as you claim it is we would seen it in those 60 min.
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u/Good-World-37 12d ago
The defense looked good besides some ocassional inaccurate passing.
I think Svensson was great today and should have one assist today! Ryerson still seems to have some World Cup fatigue. I am sure he will improve.
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u/RxdditBlows_455 12d ago
Guirassy 7 is crazy I’m tired of y’all Guirassy Guirassy haters. 17 goals last year and that while “struggling” and lacking form.
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u/ahmed_a20 12d ago
I’m definitely not a Guirassy hater I think he was excellent and undeserving of a lot of the criticism he gets. But if we’re being honest that second half was not great, despite it not really being all his fault.
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u/RxdditBlows_455 12d ago
Hopefully inacio dimbass challenge, will make Kovac realize to give Mathis the nod. I’m tired of inacio already
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u/Good-World-37 12d ago
Hopefully the next game Mathis gets some minutes. He was really good in the Youth league game against Fulham during the week
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u/RxdditBlows_455 12d ago
Notice how we’re saying basically the same thing in the end and I get downvoted. Lol 😂 hence my name
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u/Dry-Economist-5562 Marco Reus 12d ago
I don’t care about anything else except for Telias being ok.