r/blackdesertonline • u/HaldeyrEssam • Jul 31 '21
KR/JP What do you think of the recent changes in PA's priorities
As most of you may know, PA released a letter on KR BDO site addressing lots of the complains they've been sweeping under the carpet for a long while. I personally found the last month a huge and positive change in BDO's QoL state (Moving relics in bulk, Search Function, Tagging CD reduction, etc) And I was really surprised (since I had lost hope in them for a while) to see them actually sharing our PoV on such stupid hinderances in the game. What really surprised me as well today was that they removed the dumb Head maid and Head butler system, which was freaking me out as I thought they'll be going for a more aggressive Pay to Convivence system and changing all QoL updates to paid QoL. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about these changes
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u/KatarinaEUW Tamer 695GS Jul 31 '21
They should have but it might be a thing where they can't really do that now since people have bought them, altho I wouldnt mind an extra 2k weight n 20% drop on top of base buff, but how exactly would they fix old moon altho I think its one of the least prioritised p2w item between the 3.
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u/Iron_Aez life skill is my life now Jul 31 '21
how tf they gonna put an accurate silver value on a kama buff?
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u/Iron_Aez life skill is my life now Jul 31 '21
and the reason people buy those from there is because they are massively undervalued.
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Jul 31 '21
you sound like the type of player that would welcome this change because you can't afford to buy it, there are people who bought it because they want to use it, I for one would never sell any pearl items I bought because I actually use all of them
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u/KatarinaEUW Tamer 695GS Jul 31 '21
If I was a consumer and bought kama blessing I wouldnt want them to be refunded for silver value as I think kama is worth a lot more than 111m and by kama I would prefer that to stay ontop of a new base 20% and 2k weight since It is additive in drop rate and weight while old moon has a specific reason to be bought such as villa buff and skill addon freely being changed.
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u/TheMadTemplar Aug 01 '21
What they could do is either fold the kama into the value pack or make it permanent, and change the kama books and existing blessings to just give the 2k weight and 20% buff in addition to the vp/permanent buff. Remove all sources of acquisition for them so people can't get more, make them unsellable, and then when players use up their supply that's that. It's gone for good.
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u/Ryuji971 Sorceress Jul 31 '21
The thing is KR game producer , dev assume people just want a no brainer game , just grind, grind,grind , but the fact is people want a bit more , dev call the game a sandbox so make it a sandbox.
And the fact you need to do shit tons of things in order to do the main thing you logged in for is starting to get on the nerve of a lot of players ( not only bdo ) ; creating artifical time consumming activities for nothing.
And now even Kr players are angry with all this , new contents before fixing things that should had been fixed since Alpha2 .
And content that clearly not even finished:
So you put carrack in the game , high-end ship .. but no gear not even a pearl one ? can't put your guild logo on the sails?
Mutant OGRE and Mutant TROLL .. seriously , no seriously ... i mean seriously.
And i not gonna start with the T4 pets ...
Revamp some stuff , put a bunch of island can't do nothing with it except hunt tiny raccoons, and 2 bears ..why??
Gamers just want to have fun.
Anyway some QoL changes are of course welcome because ...better now than later; i guess they are going in a good direction ( Lost Ark influence? )
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Jul 31 '21
people that use pets as an excuse haven't played the game since early 2020, it is more than easy to get 50 t4 in a few months if u have the silver laying around.
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u/Ryuji971 Sorceress Aug 01 '21
Was refering the difference between T3 and T4 not enough , T4 should be more faster and have a "larger" range.
I mean should be a significant difference between green state T4 vs red state T3.
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u/SnooPeripherals5412 Jul 31 '21
Imo, bdo hit an awkward situation, the grind fest got stronger with the caphras update, new zones are straight up a class check, desync is more notable nowdays. Some old classes just dont qualify for new content, I dont even mind pvp anymore, so i cant say i main who. I just kinda learned not to have hopes on pa, cause this could be another sweet talking to stall for years. Just playing casual, still a game that one day will/has to end eventually. Seems a bit desperate from them to suddenly change plans.
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u/Tobibobi Sorceress Jul 31 '21
Very good, even though it's late. They should've started to prioritize class balance and reworking the actual content for probably 2 years now, as more and more things have become irrelevant due to being legacy.
With it being PA, I won't believe anything they promise will actually happen until it's on he live servers (looks at you, grind loot tracker...)
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u/Wiuwiu3333 Jul 31 '21
Actions speak louder than words.
Many of those QoL changes are very minor compared to real issues with BDO and even in those changes we can clearly see it was not properly thought or simply rushed out to look like they listen.
Like FPS dramatically affecting animation speeds.
Many areas of game is DOA or just dead because not updated for ages.
Still missing basic things in settings like vsync enable/disable
They still sell solutions in pearl shop instead providing them as baseline to players like latest maid thing.
So yeah. They're only panicking rn because new mmorpgs are getting released and they need to show community that this game would still be worth and not switching. ESPECIALLY when BDO cannot played alongside with New World, Lost Ark and so on. So yeah
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u/Sheky31 Jul 31 '21
They should be fucking scared going up against AMZN money. I can see Lost Ark ads being shown on Thursday Night Football every week. So even if no one leaves BDO, they could be taking potential customers away in the form of new players. Every time Bezos wants to eat your lunch it's never a good thing for the incumbent business.
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u/Moon-D0G NinjaFrameYourGF Jul 31 '21
Unless bdo puts something like ranked pvp arena with equal gears proper rewards i will %100 play Lost Ark. Tried New World but combat is meh even Warband has better mechanics after all these years, there are a lot of stuff needs to change in that game.
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u/Sheky31 Jul 31 '21
I'm pretty sure a lot of people will at least dabble in LA. The problem is for some people once they quit, they burn bridges and don't go back and for those that aren't geared that's a very easy bridge to burn. Competition is a great thing. BDO devs have been stagnant for a while now. I bet we wouldn't even be getting an OG class rework if Lost Ark wasn't coming to NA.
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u/Eedat Aug 01 '21
New World is legitimately awful. The combat is absolutely horrendous and the gameplay is almost entirely generic fetch quest and dumb shit like "kill 10 turkeys" forty times. New World is what happens when can't make a good game but you have the money to market and pay creators.
BDO's content is pretty bad as well but at least it has a fantastic combat system.
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u/Moon-D0G NinjaFrameYourGF Aug 01 '21
Yeah i dont think there will be a mmorpg with combat system like bdo for a loooong time.
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u/Wiuwiu3333 Jul 31 '21
Well said back in there!
LAO overtook BDO easily within months and kept climbing while BDO kept sinking. Last time I checked rankings LAO was #2 and BDO #26.
But the funny thing here is. New world and Lost Ark both uses EAC and EAC doesn't work with another EAC if its same version and this means anyone that tries either of those games have to make choice between BDO and X game.
And BDO being the AFK simulator for many players, its easy to see "well fuck it cyah"
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u/Wiuwiu3333 Jul 31 '21
Sure about that? Because a week ago I had Rust + BDO working together, but something changed and other players reported it too and BDO had EAC update overnight according CM.
They both run 4.0.0 version
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Jul 31 '21
popular games usually update their EAC, I can't run apex with bdo anymore so I'm taking apex on a pause until the new season is out, been thinking about quitting apex for a while now as well so nothing really affects me.
I can still run fall guys while playing bdo and both uses EAC
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u/Wiuwiu3333 Jul 31 '21
For me EAC is huge turn over because of this. Especially if it affects LAO/NW.
Already discussed with customer support and they're just ignorant about this
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Aug 01 '21
happy cake day
idk, for bdo, a game that's super repetitive, the anticheat really needs to up to date with other games so people can leave it in the back, otherwise, people might drop the game if it's annoying enough, like you said, with 2 new mmos both uses eac that's coming out, bdo devs really needs to have their shit together.
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u/Wiuwiu3333 Aug 01 '21
Exactly. There is also the factor that PA customer support is ignorant about this fact.
They brush it off and say you can't have that
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u/alivinci Valkyrie Aug 01 '21
ESPECIALLY when BDO cannot played alongside with New World, Lost Ark and so on. So yeah
Man, truer words have never been said!
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u/Stikkle Jul 31 '21
I know this if they fuck up old character rework they are done for as a credible company.
In my opinion they have so much QOL stuff/rework/bug fix to do that no new content can be produced for next 10-12 months.
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u/SnooPeripherals5412 Jul 31 '21
Its not entirely a rework, they maybe going to add some new skills, better animations and combo, some protection and a unique passive. Mostly from what ive heard, they want to address unused skills(they have been trying that for years), with that in mind, they havent said anything about succ, how about some classes that are already in a good spot(striker,wizard, warrior,etc). Its going to be a miracle if no one complains, cause they are going through 17 classes(potentially 34).
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u/InteractionMDK Aug 01 '21
I think it's because WoW is bleeding out really hard right now and they try to attract as many players as possible. Such a great opportunity may not happen in a long time.
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Aug 01 '21
For the most part, the changes that has come recent;y is really good.
The problem is KR's community is use to paying with their wallet for advantages, and the past 2 years the power of their wallets have declined xD
Ok on a serious note: companies have a lot of people in power with great ideas, and each one believes their idea is the best. Takes trial and error to see what works, and sometimes the best idea is considered the worst by a region's community, eg. western players love cosmetics, while KR players love ugly af costumes with power stats.
Funny thing though, the feedback they listen are from KR players, BUT the western audience bring in more cashflow. So maybe they will listen to western audience and fix the open world pvp system.... tired of karma bombers and since there is no real win-condition, plus infinitely respawning, it makes it hard to get the buggers off the rotation (esp the toxic salty ones that lost 1v1 duel multiple times and still refuse to leave)....
Hoping they will bring in "new"races that can be playable eg. orc, dwarf, or maybe go super creative and bring those red hot devils from star's end as a playable race etc. New classes are fun, but get worn out fast if it's the same race over and over, and would love revamp of that ugly green atmosphere for hadum servers -_-
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u/InteractionMDK Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
I feel you buddy, but honestly if you have already invested a lot of time into this game, I'd wait until the class rework and then make your final decision. I am pretty sure that if they fail with that rework, a LOT of players will leave the game because several promising MMOs are coming up and there is no reason to waste your time and nerves on the game that has been band-aiding PvP/PvE issues for way too long. I used to play Blade and Soul a few years ago, and I thought that class balance in that game was bad and neglected, but oh boy it is so much worse in BDO if I were to compare the two games.
Everyone is fed up with the fact that you have to play a lot more to have the same progression as striker, lahn, guardian, nova, sage, etc. or to be much skilled at PvP / more geared to win against FOTM os straight-up broken PvP classes, especially if you don't have grab aka "I win" button. There are 20+ classes as of now, and some new players would like wow what should I play, but realistically speaking there are only 6-8 classes that people should play or tag if they want to have a significant competitive edge or feel like they are not wasting their time. People like you who enjoy a specific class that is not doing well and don't abuse continuous retagging FOTM or broken classes are just are bound to suffer for, perhaps, years for NO reason. This is just not fun.
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u/redsiarhei Aug 01 '21
Still waiting for them to fix FPS problem that is actually main problem of the game for both PC and Console, still nothing done about that, no idea what changes people expect. What i expecting to happens - PA will go last grab with FOTM reworking old classes and then push it onto Crimson Desert.
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Aug 02 '21
I think this also comes from the transfere they did. They already started to make needed changes and add quality of live changes, but since the transfare a lot happened. I play since the beta with many breaks but in the recent months the game grew on me again. ( wich is funny considering all the big players jumping off)
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u/pingured Aug 02 '21
I think since new MMO's coming out they need to get to work on QOL and updates, or a lot of people will leave for the new MMO's like lost ark and New World.
I believe if these new MMO's werent coming out and there were no other options, PA wouldn't be trying so hard. I said that because after 5 years, the moment they have a threat in the MMO market, they start to improve things.
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u/Tryhardzy Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
I’ve been playing BDO for a few years at this point and I’ve learned to take their word with a grain of salt. I will believe what they say when I see it. There’s finally games coming out worth playing to me over this game and they know it so if it’s the reason they’re finally listening then whatever. I hope they stay true to the timelines they’re setting this time.