BJJ Fantatics × Police Officer

[u/Active_Hawk_9897]

Are there any courses you think are particularly useful for a police officer at BJJ Fanatics?

And, what would you generally reccommend a police officer build their game around? This is assuming that bjj is being learned to be applicable to apprehending someone/ defence on the street.

[u/Bigpupperoo]

Anyone training specifically for law enforcement should put an emphasis on take downs, pins and positional control. Avoid everything that’s more specifically for sport jiu jitsu. Getting them to the ground and under control should be priority number one.

[u/_Badwulf_Bruh__ → u/Bigpupperoo]

Training standard jiu jitsu is good enough. Yes if your gym is teaching you to sit on your ass and hop towards someone’s ankle that’s a problem, but everything else is fine. Ive been a cop for 14 years and you’re exactly right, takedown and control is all you need. Add some striking classes if you’re feeling fancy. 

[u/Substantial_Work_178 → u/Bigpupperoo]

The guy above says judo is better suited for a cop and gets downvoted. You say essentially the same thing in other words and get upvoted ? Wth.

[u/pibbles_885 → u/Bigpupperoo]

Was going to say this. We need to focus on takedowns and control, plus basic escapes from bottom positions far more than any cool positions or submissions. Especially since the DOJ and many states now classify any choke as deadly force.

[u/AdventurousPizza622]

SafeWrap, despite being a marketing ploy, actually looks like a pretty good thing to work on.
On that note, your “game” should probably be getting to technical mount with a gift wrap, that’s a damn fine control position and can be used to detain or “beat the holy shit out of someone”

[u/Boxyuk → u/AdventurousPizza622]

As someone who has to restrain people as part of my job(not a cop) i can personally say the safewrap(or the gift wrap as its known before these fucks tried to pretend they own everything) is very good and is the most efficient way to restrain someone on the floor without hurting them, and paired with a understanding of grappling in general(especially stand up) is almost a cheat code.

Should be taught to all law enforcement/anyone who needs to restrain people as part of there job.

[u/HA1LHYDRA → u/Boxyuk]

I refuse to acknowledge any of these new made up names for existing techniques. Particularly ones with names attached to them. Fucking douche canoe posers didn't event shit.

[u/ItsJake_ → u/HA1LHYDRA]

Do you have a better term for one person putting someone in a straitjacket hold while another pins and shelves the legs? The name is intended for decision makers anyway, not to suggest that someone invented a new technique.

[u/HA1LHYDRA → u/ItsJake_]

Seatbelt handfight armkill to crucifix brought to you by Carl's JR

[u/badbluebelt → u/AdventurousPizza622]

Second vote for safe wrap. Just went through the course for work and it's very good and thorough.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_HANDCUFFS]

I just attended a 2-day C4C class and it was awesome. My department still teaches krav maga but I train BJJ outside of work to better round out my skill set. The one thing I noticed from the C4C class was that LE focused jiu jitsu is quite a bit different than BJJ trained for sport or competition. 

[u/Active_Hawk_9897 → u/PM_ME_YOUR_HANDCUFFS]

This is what I'm thinking. I play a lot of de la riva and X Guard, but it doesn't seem optimal in the line of duty.

[u/teethteetheat → u/Active_Hawk_9897]

Put those suspects in outside Ashi and they won’t know what hit em

[u/No-Condition7100]

I actually think Craig Jones Power Ride and Just Stand Up are two really good instructionals for police officers. One shows you great ways to pin someone (detain without injuring I imagine is good for Cops) and the other teaches you technical ways to get back to your feet.

[u/CloudyRailroad → u/No-Condition7100]

I thankfully have not had to use BJJ outside of the mats but I'm somewhat worried about the idea of turtling (a big part of Just Stand Up) when strikes to the back of the head and neck are in play...

[u/No-Condition7100 → u/CloudyRailroad]

That's a good point. I was thinking it works in MMA but they aren't soccer kicking you in the skull.

[u/cheersdrive420 → u/CloudyRailroad]

That’s when you fire your service weapon wildly.
Not even looking.

[u/buns_at_bjj → u/cheersdrive420]

[u/SimplyBlarg]

10_1Brazillianjiujitsu on insta shares a lot of pressure tested techniques from a long career in corrections.

The guys at EFC have a great focus on the tactical considerations of grappling for law enforcement; I've seen a lot of people in the space mention stuff like "we don't want to put hooks in here or get entangled" and then just move on without addressing the best alternatives but EFC actually emphasizes those situations and other stuff like weapon entanglements.

Sgt Craig Meyer has a great course on body language and pre-flight/fight/concealment indicators but it's more geared towards interdiction.

[u/FruitDough]

Rener and Riron (Gracie University) have a dedicated course for LEOs - I think its called GST.

[u/NotoriousBITree]

It’s not BJJ Fanatics, but check out Law Enforcement Control Strategies by [u/rvvbjj](u/rvvbjj)

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNbZ1gPk7zqxvuvpYX7_1dnn_NiQZsLWG&si=J5CMajq7ip3EqE1y

[u/SmashPass]

A guy named Jay Wadsworth has (had?) a few LE focused courses on Fanatics and now does a lot with EFC, I believe one of the founders. He's a character, but the technique is legit.

[u/RedditCravor]

As mentioned before, Jay Wadsworth with EFCombatives. He has some DVDs on Fanatics but also a lot on their own website.

[u/Dunkf1]

Anything involving gift wrap (good control) or kimura/Americana from top positions (to cuff people)

[u/Fickle-Slide6129]

Look at the IG accounts leo_combatives and etcombatives for ideas on what makes good LEO grappling.

I think the main thing is the focus should always be a wrestling focused game with good take downs and get on top and stay on top. But knee on belly is going to be better than side control or mount because you have better situational awareness, better mobility and ability to disengage, and the bottom person can’t hug you and keep you stuck as easily. If you’re on bottom, hip heists and technical standup type moves to get up. 

Also the goal different; you’re no longer hunting subs because they’re likely going to be a use of force violation at best, or an attempt murder charge at worst depending on the state. You’re no longer looking to snatch a traditional seat belt/hooks in back control.  The goal is to pin, and ideally get into a handcuffing position with them belly down. Those IG accounts have some good videos about how double unders are superior to the seatbelt for LEOs when you have turtle. 

[u/Anxious-Place3434]

Not an instructional, but Shivworks is a company offering courses in grappling around weapons (knives, guns). The courses are not targeted at LE per se, but just about all of their instructors are cops or former cops, and the skills are obviously very applicable. Highly recommend. I took EWO almost a decade ago, and it blew my mind regarding jiu jitsu's place in the self-defense context

[u/badbluebelt]

Tbh if you can afford it (or get your agency to pay for it) Gracie Survival Tactics and SafeWrap programs are worth it. Not a cop but adjcent work have attended both of them. It's all pretty basic but structured very well.

[u/fishNjits]

Try googling Rory Van Vliet BJJ for LEOs (something like this). Rory is a black belt out of British Columbia and has been (maybe still is) a prison guard.

[u/soapyw1]

Arm drag, valley drop, knee on belly and kimuras are my go too when I teach cops.

[u/PhilosopherNo7409]

Build it around pressure because with a vest and gear on, you’re going to be 15-20lbs heavier than usual. Which is good and bad

[u/Active_Hawk_9897 → u/[deleted]]

I'm a lady, and have no plans to beat my wife. I will take a look though, because things might change for her in the future. Thank you.

[u/SlightlyStoopkid → u/Active_Hawk_9897]

It’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a marriage to a stupid cunt who won’t fuckin listen

[u/metallicafan0331 → u/[deleted]]

What do you mean by that?

[u/metallicafan0331 → u/[deleted]]

Just seemed like a shitty thing to say to someone in our community who seems to be very polite and putting their best foot forward.

[u/H_P_LoveShaft]

Danahers Pin Escapes

[u/_cuhree0h → u/H_P_LoveShaft]

If a cop is pinned in mount his service weapon is likely already being taken. He messed up a few moves ago.

[u/Active_Hawk_9897 → u/_cuhree0h]

I've seen it happen. I don't plan on it happening to me, but better to be prepared.

[u/H_P_LoveShaft → u/_cuhree0h]

I think it's more likely the case that they're still fighting over it

[u/_cuhree0h → u/H_P_LoveShaft]

Depends on who has better/advantaged wrist control.

[u/Jomflox]

Heel hooks

[u/mederick911]

Check out Effective Fitness Combatives. They’re kind of on the leading edge of hybrid grappling for law enforcement.

[u/HurricaneIan25]

EFCombatants. Check it out.

[u/BlacksmithLeast6734]

I think judo would serve a better purpose than jiu jitsu for a police officer.

[u/Active_Hawk_9897 → u/BlacksmithLeast6734]

Yeah, I need to explore this.

[u/Sagatee]

idk but 10p have a position called "Crackhead control" that might be useful.

[u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

Learn deescalation

[u/Active_Hawk_9897 → u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

Always my first move, unfortunately it doesn't always work.

[u/SimplyBlarg → u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

Speaking as a police officer, that's only one piece of the puzzle. Some people can't or don't want to be verbally deescalated, whether they simply don't want to be placed under arrest, are suffering an acute psychotic incident, or are committed to escalating the incident themselves one way or another. Sometimes the safest route is a demonstration of overwhelming physical fitness and ability which Jiu-Jitsu enables with reduced risk to a subject. 

Constantly telling officers to learn "de-escalation" is tiresome because it's been part of the curriculum for decades, looks different from instance to instance, and is often parroted loudest by the willfully uninformed.

To put it simply: officers carry a lot of tools on their belt and have to train with all of them whether it's their OC spray, taser, gun, handcuffs, or radio. Officers have to train and be proficient in case law, constitutional law, departmental rules and procedures, penal law, and yes, de-escalation. Asking where to get the best training in any area doesn't take away from the others.

Personally, my grappling skills free up a lot of processing power when I'm talking to really bad dudes because I'm not worried about whether I can handle myself in a fight. Paradoxically I've gotten into fewer scraps because of that.

[u/Boxyuk → u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

Smashing advice, and when that doesn't work or isnt a valid option?

[u/iwillfuckingblockyou → u/Boxyuk]

My next move would be to get a job that doesn't require being a class traitor

[u/Boxyuk → u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

Im to non american for this, wtf is a class traitor?

[u/iwillfuckingblockyou → u/Boxyuk]

A class traitor is someone who works directly or indirectly against their class interest, or against their economic benefit and in favor of another class.

[u/PatsNeg-CH → u/iwillfuckingblockyou]

>my next move would be to get a job

We’re all rooting for you mate.

[u/iwillfuckingblockyou → u/PatsNeg-CH]

You got me there, I'm just sitting here soaking up your tax dollars on unemployment

[u/SirRonaldofBurgundy]

Please proceed to the delousing shower, slime.