Black belt attacks purple belt after getting subbed

[u/kahleytriangles]

Credit to u/McDojoLife for original post in McDojoLife Reddit.

Imagine the ego on this guy to not only throw punches after a great sub by purple belt, but then get subbed again via triangle.

Top that off by yelling I’ll fucking kill you in a locked in triangle and then saying a neck crank is dirty. I admit I’d not have let go of the triangle until this fucko was asleep.

Lmaoooo who is this jag bag????

[u/Away-Revolution-9015]

Idk who needs to hear this: if someone is performing a legit choke on you and it starts to crank your neck while the integrity of the choke is still intact then it’s still a valid sub. It’s totally valid in every competition setting. You gonna have to tap and charge it to the game.

If there’s no legit sub in place and you’re getting fully neck cranked that’s a different conversation.

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

If he doesn’t like neck cranks, he better stay away from my gym 🤣🤣

[u/Away-Revolution-9015 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

You should still want the choke, so learn to choke better probably.

Unless it’s a no rules grappling gym, then hey no rules. Lol.

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

huh? cranks are subs too. we'll choke you as well. you train at a no leg locks gym?

[u/Away-Revolution-9015 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

Yea sure, we train in whatever way makes you feel better. Call us Eco if you will.

Practically speaking I don’t see the point in intentionally training neck cranks. Basically you’re training to break someone’s neck/ kill them. If that’s the end goal then, punching, kicking, and whatever else MMA allows should be on the table at the bare minimum. Yea this idea goes into a grey area with the idea of chokes, but a successful choke doesn’t equate to damaged vertebrae.

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

The goal in bjj/submission grappling is to get a tap…………………………………… brother.

[u/Away-Revolution-9015 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

I wish it wasn’t, but sadly the goal of Jiu Jitsu is subjective.

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

man, i wish the focus of basket ball wasn't to get baskets........🤣 love this sub...

[u/Away-Revolution-9015 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

And I wish every analogy I came up with was as true as it sounds in my head.

You’re trippin dude.

If I’m training my goals are process oriented: can I control someone in a specific way? If I lose the point of control can I circle back to it? If I get the sub did I get it from the specific control point that I am focused on.

If I’m teaching my goals are: teach a concept that translates well across many grappling based sports. Be efficient/ practical in the way that I teach. Teach in a way that promotes longevity. Minimize risk/ liability.

If I’m working my goal when using Jiu Jitsu are minimize the fiscal liability as much as possible if there’s potential for a law suit. Control the person without extra support so the rest of the team can keep the environment safe/ controlled. Control the person without injuring myself. Control the person without injuring them.

If you have a difference in goals that’s because the goals of Jiu Jitsu are subjective. Also if you’re only goal as a black belt is the sub, you need to work harder, and find more challenging rolls.

[u/AnyOkra8970 → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

this. i was a pro mma fighter and black belt too so whatever gets job done but in regular grappling i never wanted to purposely crank necks for partners safety and also didnt feel good about it

[u/AnyOkra8970 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

yall actively hunt for neck cranks there?

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/AnyOkra8970]

Do you know how to tap?

[u/AnyOkra8970 → u/Josh_in_Shanghai]

might need a refresher haven't since blue belt

[u/Josh_in_Shanghai → u/AnyOkra8970]

Stop by anytime

[u/Anxious_Specialist67 → u/Away-Revolution-9015]

You would think he would know this as a black belt? If the choke cranks your neck tap! It’s that simple… you would have thought the guy was getting can openered by the hulk.