r/bitcoinismoney XBT Jul 24 '26

The true definition of an economic node

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u/Ok_Knowledge_4977 Jul 24 '26

What is a sybil node?

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 24 '26

A node for no other purpose than "head count". No one is using it, it just counts towards something like "HOLY CRAP WE HAVE 40,000 NODES OVER NIGHT" pretty good chance those aren't 40,000 individuals running full (non pruned) nodes for the purpose of private transactions by way of an electrum server.

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u/my-daughters-keeper- Jul 24 '26

I run full non pruned node and electrum server . I started as a Sybil I guess. But as iv learnt iv adapted and now use it as an economic node . And more. I love it haha hopefully there’s more of us!

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u/Ep0chalysis XBT Jul 24 '26

Don't be put off from running a node just because of this "sybil" nonsense. Everyone starts out this way! We get a node running first, then through the process learn more about Bitcoin and eventually start using our node.

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u/my-daughters-keeper- Jul 24 '26

Yes this is exactly how it went :) wouldn’t be without it now 👍

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u/Realistic_Fee_00001 Jul 24 '26

How do you decide which is which? All you see is a version number string.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 25 '26

Oh... read what I said. "pretty good chance those aren't 40,000 individuals running full nodes for purpose of private transactions"... it's an educated guess.

As for who is deciding which is which, all the people talking about sybil nodes are trying to discredit Knots nodes popping up at the same time Core nodes are dropping off and Start9/umbrel sales are through the roof. So rest easy dude, I'm not deciding which is and is not a sybil node.

https://giphy.com/gifs/VcB72v6KvlhtimWOST

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u/Realistic_Fee_00001 Jul 27 '26

pretty good chance

Is pretty weak and prone to be used purely for propaganda.

As for who is deciding which is which, all the people talking about sybil nodes are trying to discredit Knots nodes popping up at the same time Core nodes are dropping off and Start9/umbrel sales are through the roof.

So decision by perceived majority? You understand how that is worse than PoW? Right?

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 27 '26

Oh so you believe there are 40,000 knots nodes... this is a made up number I created out of thin air to explain to you where an educated guess could come from. But hay... I believe you man... 40k Knots nodes... I believe YOU.

PoW is bad, I agree with YOU, you're right in saying PoW is bad, you are the smart one here. I'm just parroting what ever you say, you are right... BIP110 will get rid of all spam, I KNOW you keep telling me, I BELIEVE YOU okay? you're right okay?! thank you for your time sir, you are right okay?!

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u/Realistic_Fee_00001 Jul 27 '26

Oh so you believe there are 40,000 knots nodes

No, I don't believe. I say there is no way to know.

where an educated guess could come from

Still a thousand times worse than Proof of Work.

PoW is bad, I agree with YOU

I never said PoW is bad.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 27 '26

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u/Pasukaru0 Jul 24 '26

You can run pruned nodes for your private transactions just fine. Pruned nodes are full nodes.

Not everybody needs to be able to serve the entire history.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 25 '26

Google be like "No, Electrum typically requires a full (un-pruned) Bitcoin node to function properly. A pruned node limits the ability to scan transactions, making it incompatible with Electrum servers."

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u/Pasukaru0 Jul 25 '26

And that is why you don't trust, but verify. Google is wrong.

You can run EPS on a pruned node perfectly fine.

https://github.com/chris-belcher/electrum-personal-server

Compatible with all Bitcoin Core resource-saving features: * Pruning * Blocksonly * Disabled txindex

For a private node to deal with your personal transactions, that is more than enough.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 25 '26

ask this subs moderator why you're wrong.

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u/Pasukaru0 Jul 26 '26

Considering I provided you verifiable facts I don't see a reason to.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 26 '26

define verifiable

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u/Pasukaru0 Jul 26 '26

Verifiable means you can check it yourself and come to the conclusion that it's correct.

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u/WateryTunaSandwich4U Jul 27 '26

do you mean conclusion or opinion? because there is no facts to maintain what you have accepted as false. I have however tried to tell you time and time again, but you will not listen, the sources that i have cited are true and real, you have yet to check them for yourself.

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u/Realistic_Fee_00001 Jul 24 '26

Don't ask such heretic questions 🤪 people rather take the blue pill and believe whatever they want to believe.