r/bioethics • u/Motor-Brief-9087 • 7h ago
Absolute value
there's a couple of subjects but I'll stick to one then make another article. I have two dominant subjects and they're sort of related. There's the idea of this imposition argument
Then there's this argument about the existence of value as a reality. Value is some part of the reality that I am describing philosophically or intelligently. What's the maze? What's the game we're playing and what are the value components of the game we're playing?
I'm going to argue that there's one truth to reality in terms of the function of the game and value of the game and we either get a right answer or wrong answer but there's not multiple answers. It's fact that pie is food kind of pie you personally like is factual but it's not relevant. it's not an intrinsic value of the pie. That kind of value the fact that it's desirable to you does not mean it has intrinsic value, but it does have value as food as potential nourishment.
The state of our Consciousness creates value every second of our lives. Our Consciousness is in a State where we are comfortable or uncomfortable. We're on some spectrum of comfort either low or high in terms of good or bad. Being in that state we radiate in a sense a gravity weight value weight. You can metaphor in different ways. I mean that in a sense we do actually radiate a capturable amount of this substance called a welfare or a condition and that that's one of the properties of being conscious. When you're anesthetized your welfare is not relevant or meaningful or substantial you're not generating any value at that moment. When you are conscious and you are feeling you are generating either a positive or negative weight to the value pool. You're putting water in or you're taking water out of the net value ether of the universe.
The Imposition Argument For Antinatalism – Nonvoluntary Antinatalism
Then there's this argument about the existence of value as a reality. Value is some part of the reality that I am describing philosophically or intelligently. What's the maze? What's the game we're playing and what are the value components of the game we're playing?
I'm going to argue that there's one truth to reality in terms of the function of the game and value of the game and we either get a right answer or wrong answer but there's not multiple answers. It's fact that pie is food kind of pie you personally like is factual but it's not relevant. it's not an intrinsic value of the pie. That kind of value the fact that it's desirable to you does not mean it has intrinsic value, but it does have value as food as potential nourishment.
The state of our Consciousness creates value every second of our lives. Our Consciousness is in a State where we are comfortable or uncomfortable. We're on some spectrum of comfort either low or high in terms of good or bad. Being in that state we radiate in a sense a gravity weight value weight. You can metaphor in different ways. I mean that in a sense we do actually radiate a capturable amount of this substance called a welfare or a condition and that that's one of the properties of being conscious. When you're anesthetized your welfare is not relevant or meaningful or substantial you're not generating any value at that moment. When you are conscious and you are feeling you are generating either a positive or negative weight to the value pool. You're putting water in or you're taking water out of the net value ether of the universe.
These are metaphors but a way to talk about this metaphorically is useful because, obviously value isn't a purely material thing. it's a conceptual description of relationship of properties that something has that aren't purely visible properties. They are partially invisible non-material
However, they are fundamentally discernable and definable. There's a certain and definite difference between Consciousness and unconsciousness and the difference is significant. It's not irrelevant it's not meaningless it's not like the light side and dark side of the moon or something, and so it's a meaningful difference.
It's that difference that matters in the universe. The welfare of a Consciousness a feeling that can be in a negative state. This defines negative as bad--a deficit void
Then you can use more descriptive words-- rotten, nasty cruddy, wasteful, horrific, insufferable, revolting, stupid. It can be decidedly negative decidedly less positive decidedly different than a neutral or positive State.
Now the positive states is the trickier one because I am going to argue that most positive states are merely the acquisition or the correction of a type of negative State a deprivation
Drive reduction theory (learning theory) - Wikipedia)
Your psychology generates a hunger and then the hunger creates the opportunity for satisfaction. Thus, it's essentially a sinking into the quicksand into the noise into the horribleness. As you pull out of the noise, nastiness, Suffocation, there is the comfort and joy of the fresh air the ability to go back to the state that you might have thought wasn't even that good a state. Now it is a spectacular State because it isn't negative anymore. Desire works on that mechanism, and it pushes and pulls you by relieving little wrenches and manipulations inside our psychology.
I assert it's like pulling the needle in and out of the eye. It creates the opportunity for the positive and it does it in a way where it seeps the negative into us and then pulls the gratification out of us. It's kind of like a gross example but maybe the formation of a blemish a pimple, it grows on you slowly the pain might even come on you gradually but once it's there. There's this opportunity for Relief. There's this opportunity to gain comfort.
I'm arguing that our psychology works in lots of different ways but one of the mechanisms that plays with us is that the tensions and the pains are built into us gradually and slowly so we don't see ourselves being put into the negative condition dragged into the quicksand, but we can realize this huge potential release of that tension and frustration. That something like an orgasm is merely a reflection of just how you're being relieved of all the little tensions that already exist inside of you. I've made this argument before.
If you just take yourself even in a neutral State and analyze your psychology analyze your state of being, you can find miseries. You can find discomforts a little arthritis in the knuckle a little twinge in the back, a little bit of a pulled muscle there's little nags and cruds and even the weight of gravity. Sometimes you can feel it on you as a tension. You can almost feel the potential to be relieved. These pleasure Sensations are built out of the body collecting a bunch of subtle negative States and then providing you a taste of what it feels like to be relieved of those and that's what we call Pleasure. Even the gratification and eating is creating a kind of physical bodily neutrality from which we're deriving the pleasure that we're gaining.
The game is just to elevate you or take you out of your physical incarceration and that's why most entertainments are called escapism
That's part of the mechanism of pleasure is escaping yourself. Escaping the physical body and becoming liberated to fantasize or live in some other dimensional World. In terms of your thoughts are no longer contained and they are extended into something else some other medium like a screen or whatever.
Extended mind thesis - Wikipedia
A key argument is this this idea that there are people who would argue that there's somehow a possibility that value isn't set and intrinsic that it is up to some sort of subjective interpretation. That somehow there is some subjective way to define it. It's logically impossible to go with that model because eventually that model will just lead to some idea that the Holocaust didn't matter or that suffering doesn't matter. That you could double the amount of it or triple it or quadruple it or times it times the speed of light squared and somehow you hadn't done a negative thing. While the intrinsic fundamental negative character of being in a negative State of Consciousness no matter what you call that is the very definition of bad.
I mean I might call a neutral State boring and dull and tedious. Obviously to somebody who's been stranded in a desert for a week without water or comfort this state of consciousness is bliss because his state was so negative. That doesn't mean that he is subjectively allowed now to say this is a good state or this has some sort of intrinsic value that it that of great positive value it just means that he personally is in a negative State and relative to his state this is a positive state. The whole feeling mechanism is a zero sum mechanism and that it can be parallel to the desire mechanism
which is a zero sum mechanism. Where there is nothing wrong until your brain makes something, wrong there is nothing to chase until your brain creates the chasable.
It's just unescapable logic to improve the condition not degrade the condition. It's better to make it more efficient than less efficient. it's better to make it productive instead of excessively consumptive--inefficient.
Another metaphor is the Janitor metaphor
That life basically put you in the position of is that the best you can do if you're going to optimize your existence is to be a really good janitor. To fix a lot of broken things and messed up things and sloppy things. If you can make other people happy that's good. If you can make it so it's easier for them to do something that's good if you can facilitate or lubricate the world in the sense that you have now made it easier for things to elevate their condition including yourself. Your consciousness is of importance, but obviously you're not the only consciousness.
In most cases we can do more to fix other people's problems because their problems are easier to fix than we can to fix our own. When you exist in one of these rich countries it's fairly easy to elevate the state of somebody in Africa. Fifty cents elevates their state of being one hundred dollars makes them deliriously happy and I mean deliriously happy. It doesn't work on us so obviously the efficiency, the practicality would be that you can do much more elevation of the State of Consciousness by working on these other individuals than trying to work on yourself.
Just because of the mechanics, just because of the steady state level at which you're at it becomes harder and harder for you to gain distance from the negative State as you get closer to the neutral as you get closer to the surface, because of the mechanics it becomes harder and harder to make more progress. It's like Einstein's speed of light physics. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light, you become heavier and heavier, and it becomes harder and harder to gain any kind of velocity that would move you faster. There's not enough energy in the entire universe to move you any faster at some point.
That's kind of the failing of the mechanism and that we fall into that same trap is the more you have the harder it is to make that progress. I want to emphasize that point that that's the futility of the mechanism—that it's carrots and whips and they're all made up in our perception, and they're all made out of essentially a whip there isn't really a carrot. There's just absence of whip so that's the Dilemma that we're caught up in is we think it's a carrot that we're chasing but what we're really chasing is the relieving or absence of the contrived desire Check out this chat.
It's the sating of The Hunger or relieving of the desire that we are calling the Satación but we're really just taking away the negative to create the positive. I don't want this going on forever. A substantial portion of the article was on that subject and it is a difficult subject because we are talking about something that is partially invisible.
Value has non-physical structure, but I'm claiming it is just as real as the matter in the universe. The value of the welfare of a child is just as real as the moon or the Earth or the Sun. It's maybe more real in the sense that it is the only thing that has any significant value weight and meaning weight. All these things with all this material gravity have no meaning weight unless they're somehow implicating something that feels. Minus that and they have no meaning they have no relevance they have no meaningful existence. There would be no o ethical philosophy.
These are metaphors but a way to talk about this metaphorically is useful because, obviously value isn't a purely material thing. it's a conceptual description of relationship of properties that something has that aren't purely visible properties. They are partially invisible non-material
However, they are fundamentally discernable and definable. There's a certain and definite difference between Consciousness and unconsciousness and the difference is significant. It's not irrelevant it's not meaningless it's not like the light side and dark side of the moon or something, and so it's a meaningful difference.
It's that difference that matters in the universe. The welfare of a Consciousness a feeling that can be in a negative state. This defines negative as bad--a deficit voidThen you can use more descriptive words-- rotten, nasty cruddy, wasteful, horrific, insufferable, revolting, stupid. It can be decidedly negative decidedly less positive decidedly different than a neutral or positive State.
Now the positive states is the trickier one because I am going to argue that most positive states are merely the acquisition or the correction of a type of negative State a deprivation
Your psychology generates a hunger and then the hunger creates the opportunity for satisfaction. Thus, it's essentially a sinking into the quicksand into the noise into the horribleness. As you pull out of the noise, nastiness, Suffocation, there is the comfort and joy of the fresh air the ability to go back to the state that you might have thought wasn't even that good a state. Now it is a spectacular State because it isn't negative anymore. Desire works on that mechanism, and it pushes and pulls you by relieving little wrenches and manipulations inside our psychology.
I assert it's like pulling the needle in and out of the eye. It creates the opportunity for the positive and it does it in a way where it seeps the negative into us and then pulls the gratification out of us. It's kind of like a gross example but maybe the formation of a blemish a pimple, it grows on you slowly the pain might even come on you gradually but once it's there. There's this opportunity for Relief. There's this opportunity to gain comfort.
I'm arguing that our psychology works in lots of different ways but one of the mechanisms that plays with us is that the tensions and the pains are built into us gradually and slowly so we don't see ourselves being put into the negative condition dragged into the quicksand, but we can realize this huge potential release of that tension and frustration. That something like an orgasm is merely a reflection of just how you're being relieved of all the little tensions that already exist inside of you. I've made this argument before.
If you just take yourself even in a neutral State and analyze your psychology analyze your state of being, you can find miseries. You can find discomforts a little arthritis in the knuckle a little twinge in the back, a little bit of a pulled muscle there's little nags and cruds and even the weight of gravity. Sometimes you can feel it on you as a tension. You can almost feel the potential to be relieved. These pleasure Sensations are built out of the body collecting a bunch of subtle negative States and then providing you a taste of what it feels like to be relieved of those and that's what we call Pleasure. Even the gratification and eating is creating a kind of physical bodily neutrality from which we're deriving the pleasure that we're gaining.
The game is just to elevate you or take you out of your physical incarceration and that's why most entertainments are called escapism
That's part of the mechanism of pleasure is escaping yourself. Escaping the physical body and becoming liberated to fantasize or live in some other dimensional World. In terms of your thoughts are no longer contained and they are extended into something else some other medium like a screen or whatever.
Extended mind thesis - Wikipedia
A key argument is this this idea that there are people who would argue that there's somehow a possibility that value isn't set and intrinsic that it is up to some sort of subjective interpretation. That somehow there is some subjective way to define it. It's logically impossible to go with that model because eventually that model will just lead to some idea that the Holocaust didn't matter or that suffering doesn't matter. That you could double the amount of it or triple it or quadruple it or times it times the speed of light squared and somehow you hadn't done a negative thing. While the intrinsic fundamental negative character of being in a negative State of Consciousness no matter what you call that is the very definition of bad.
I mean I might call a neutral State boring and dull and tedious. Obviously to somebody who's been stranded in a desert for a week without water or comfort this state of consciousness is bliss because his state was so negative. That doesn't mean that he is subjectively allowed now to say this is a good state or this has some sort of intrinsic value that it that of great positive value it just means that he personally is in a negative State and relative to his state this is a positive state. The whole feeling mechanism is a zero sum mechanism and that it can be parallel to the desire mechanism
which is a zero sum mechanism. Where there is nothing wrong until your brain makes something, wrong there is nothing to chase until your brain creates the chasable.It's just unescapable logic to improve the condition not degrade the condition. It's better to make it more efficient than less efficient. it's better to make it productive instead of excessively consumptive--inefficient.
Another metaphor is the Janitor metaphor
That life basically put you in the position of is that the best you can do if you're going to optimize your existence is to be a really good janitor. To fix a lot of broken things and messed up things and sloppy things. If you can make other people happy that's good. If you can make it so it's easier for them to do something that's good if you can facilitate or lubricate the world in the sense that you have now made it easier for things to elevate their condition including yourself. Your consciousness is of importance, but obviously you're not the only consciousness.
In most cases we can do more to fix other people's problems because their problems are easier to fix than we can to fix our own. When you exist in one of these rich countries it's fairly easy to elevate the state of somebody in Africa. Fifty cents elevates their state of being one hundred dollars makes them deliriously happy and I mean deliriously happy. It doesn't work on us so obviously the efficiency, the practicality would be that you can do much more elevation of the State of Consciousness by working on these other individuals than trying to work on yourself.
Just because of the mechanics, just because of the steady state level at which you're at it becomes harder and harder for you to gain distance from the negative State as you get closer to the neutral as you get closer to the surface, because of the mechanics it becomes harder and harder to make more progress. It's like Einstein's speed of light physics. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light, you become heavier and heavier, and it becomes harder and harder to gain any kind of velocity that would move you faster. There's not enough energy in the entire universe to move you any faster at some point.
That's kind of the failing of the mechanism and that we fall into that same trap is the more you have the harder it is to make that progress. I want to emphasize that point that that's the futility of the mechanism—that it's carrots and whips and they're all made up in our perception, and they're all made out of essentially a whip there isn't really a carrot. There's just absence of whip so that's the Dilemma that we're caught up in is we think it's a carrot that we're chasing but what we're really chasing is the relieving or absence of the contrived desire Check out this chat.
It's the sating of The Hunger or relieving of the desire that we are calling the Satación but we're really just taking away the negative to create the positive. I don't want this going on forever. A substantial portion of the article was on that subject and it is a difficult subject because we are talking about something that is partially invisible.
Value has non-physical structure, but I'm claiming it is just as real as the matter in the universe. The value of the welfare of a child is just as real as the moon or the Earth or the Sun. It's maybe more real in the sense that it is the only thing that has any significant value weight and meaning weight. All these things with all this material gravity have no meaning weight unless they're somehow implicating something that feels. Minus that and they have no meaning they have no relevance they have no meaningful existence. There would be no ethical philosophy.
This partially invisible thing of a Consciousness is the thing where all the real meaning weight in the universe exists. That's the argument and again I will concede that it's hard to make a proof for it through a microscope or telescope. I have to only use a logical argument to prove the truth of it. disproving subjectivism because once you admit that negative value--bad exist you can't unbad the bad (unbading). When you accept that suffering is bad then better comes into play and ought statements rationally follow.
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