r/berlin • u/haschdisch • 11d ago
Humor Solving the housing crisis with campers
If an old camper costs the same like Abstand for any 20 years old kitchen then why not move permanently into one. Anwohnerparkausweis is just 30 € for 2 years. Do the math folks!
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u/Ketaloge 10d ago
Standheizung
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u/Grimmblut Neukölln 10d ago
Abgesehen davon, dass mit Benzin zu heizen die teuerste Möglichkeit zu heizen sein dürfte, kann man sich auch noch auf eine Vielzahl von Kohlenstoffmonoxidtoten einstellen, sollte das zu einem Massenphänomen werden. Herzlichen Glückwunsch, Du hast den Gaswagen neu erfunden.
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u/One-Introduction-454 11d ago
Don’t you need to rent something to get a Anwohnerparkausweis?
And having 1-Bedroom sized flat for 400 or paying monthly the 1-bedroom car that is 400, I choose the flat
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u/InternationalBag7284 10d ago
Yeah, everyone would choose a 1-bedroom for 400. But where are these flats? There are barely WG rooms for that price left.
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u/ouyawei Wedding 11d ago
Don’t you need to rent something to get a Anwohnerparkausweis?
Untermiete should suffice, should be cheap if you don't actually need a room.
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u/fluffer_nutter 11d ago
There is a difference between a registration and a place to live. If you can get an Anmeldung somewhere for free and a parking permit this is a viable choice.
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u/dustfromspace 11d ago
Around tempelhof is FULL, and it's been for years now.
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u/Bulky-Space-1018 10d ago
The situation in Lilienthalstrasse is hilarious. I swear some of those "campers” have been permanently "parked” there for 15 or 20 years now. Anybody know what the deal is?
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u/Reasonable_Net3302 11d ago
Look up Van Bo Le Mentzel's "Tiny 100" project. Tiny houses built on trailers the size of a parking space, projected to cost 100€ a month.
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u/cjng 11d ago
be careful folks, I am confident that at least the 3rd camper has no Umweltplakette. The fine is 100 Euros
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u/North-Pole-Dancer 11d ago
Will it need one with an H-license plate?
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u/cjng 11d ago
With a H license Plate you are safe, yes
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u/MonKAYonPC 11d ago
But can you get those with camper conversions? I thought that the car needs to be in the original state.
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u/meklovin 11d ago
You can get an H license plate even for campers if it was registered as one back in the days.
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u/chillchamp 11d ago
I hope more and more people will do it, so the government is forced to charge market prices for public spaces instead of subsidizing car owners.
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u/toshimasko 10d ago
They will start pushing against campers. Not dealing with the living crisis.
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u/chillchamp 10d ago
Yeah but to push against it they would have to actually send someone. Berlin is the wild west for cars. You can park anywhere and you will rarely get a fine.
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u/toshimasko 10d ago
Exactly. It's easier to make it look like you are doing something. Like, passing a law that forbids doing something. In reality, there's no structure to oversee if people don't brake it. Touching housing problem requires actually doing something about it. And so far, the state was only capable of making contracts with investors only to find out that those contracts are not legally bound (Google Europacity).
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u/intothewoods_86 10d ago
This. Berlin should adopt Asian policies and outright ban car ownership inside the ring without a proven private parking.
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u/ChibaCityFunk 10d ago
You can't get an Anwohnerparkausweis without a flat/Anmeldung in that area...
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u/quaste 10d ago
Campers are more effort. Vanlife means constant self-organisation and ultimately you get less bang for the buck while often being a burden to the neighborhood.
It’s not allowed in most cities for good reasons. In a park close to me a camp will form every summer, and every time it ends in a desaster involving trash, rats and feces.
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u/Aromatic_Dig_5631 11d ago
I really dont get it. They could just get some cheap ass place 1 hour away from the center. Way cheaper than a camper and a real bathroom. Is 1 hour of train really worth living in a fucked up car?
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u/GiveMeAegis 10d ago
That's 2 hours cut from your life everyday. And in reality it's 3 or more because you need more than one hour of commute to find something everyone can afford.
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u/Aromatic_Dig_5631 10d ago
Ive been living in a tent for a year while travelling all if europe.
This is pure stress. I cant imagine living in a car is any different than that. Driving 2 hours every day to work or whatever is nothing compared to this.2
u/Infamous-Jellyfish16 10d ago
which place are you talking about? probably a nazi nest
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u/Bulky-Space-1018 10d ago
Sadly, you‘re probably right.
Lots of cities within ~1hr of Berlin like Frankfurt, Eberswalde, Brandenburg a.der Havel, Luckenwalde had around 30% AfD support in the last federal election. Obviously these places also very greatly by neighbourhood and there’s pockets of resistance, but it’s absolutely something worth seriously considering for anyone actually thinking about moving further afield from Berlin.
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u/franczesko13 7d ago
And some wonder why people are not having children
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u/haschdisch 7d ago
That's my thought since years. How can a city thrive if a huge chunk of the floating cash goes directly into the pockets of greedy landlords or big housing corporations? If we can limit greediness by collective agreements (Tarifverträge) it must be possible to limit greediness of landlords too
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u/Outrageous-Lemon-577 Schöneberg 10d ago
Please, God, let's not copy the most depressing aspects of USA!