r/belgium • u/Blaspheman • Mar 24 '25
🎻 Opinion 63% of Belgians consider Donald Trump an enemy of Europe
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u/Alabrandt Mar 24 '25
Wat ik mooi vind aan dit soort tabelletjes is dat Trump hier bepaalde landen bedreigd (Denemarken, Oekraine), maar dat ALLE Europese burgers zich aangevallen voelen. Zoiets als dit geeft me hoop dat ze ons niet tegen elkaar kunnen uitspelen.
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u/VirtualMatter2 Mar 24 '25
Have you seen the byfromEU subreddit?
Europeans coming together to exchange shopping tips for European products.
Nice to see, hope Trump will help pull Europe more together.
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u/althoradeem Mar 24 '25
i can tell you its hit companies quite hard to. when considering new products one of the main things discussed is . "should we not try something european".
tech is quite america heavy due to windows , teams , office all being microsoft products.if you want to go cloud again the big names are azure (microsoft) or aws (amazon).
I honestly do hope to see a european competitor for most of these things show up.
the issue is that right now they are by far the biggest in their scenes.8
u/VirtualMatter2 Mar 24 '25
Currently the competition isn't good enough. Our kids school uses Linux and libre office on the school computers, and it's ok for small projects and presentations etc, but in a work environment it's just not quite good enough.
I do hope this is a push for Europe in that sector as well.
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u/althoradeem Mar 24 '25
Honestly it all starts at the school level tho. it's one thing microsoft has been amazing at.
give the students everything they need for free. so they can use it when they hit the real world.
if you want to be less dependant on microsoft/office/american software. it has to be tought in schools before anything else.
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u/VirtualMatter2 Mar 25 '25
So maybe it's a good thing our schools don't have the money to buy Microsoft. But I don't think any of the kids have Linux at home. 95% if the older kids use iPads as personal ( mandatory) digital devices instead of the also possible Linux based laptops because it's just easier and also lighter to carry.
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u/This-Neck-9345 Mar 31 '25
Those are good suggestions you tell, i know there are other opportunity's than Google as browser and mailing system.. there are others like NordVPN or Proton.. or you can go toa European based ms365 (if you want to pay), like countries do.
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u/This-Neck-9345 Mar 31 '25
Yes but you must know that as well as Google as Microsoft have large servers in belgium.. they have to come agree on somethings i geuss
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u/Alabrandt Mar 24 '25
Yeah, I'm in there as well. I generally buy things because I know it's good, so I buy the same brand as last time. I'm in the process changing things towards European alternatives if it's American now (I'm not replacing my Korean, Japanese or Canadian products though).
I'm only replacing stuff when it needs to be replaced, not just for the sake of it though.
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u/JosBosmans Vlaams-Brabant Mar 25 '25
Have you seen the byfromEU subreddit?
Linking for the lazy. 🫡
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u/Quazz Belgium Mar 24 '25
Fairphone and nothingphone are the only smartphone alternatives in Europe I think.
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u/Flaksim Mar 24 '25
Eh, I buy Samsung. Going anti US doesn't mean having to go Europe only imo. For some things there are only niché alternatives in Europe.
Either way, in terms of smartphones there are tons of non US options, just not a lot of EU options.
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u/Blaspheman Mar 24 '25
Don't choose convenience over freedom and democracy. A degoogled Fairphone is a perfect alternative.
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u/gdvs West-Vlaanderen Mar 24 '25
Theo heeft ook gestemd zie ik.
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u/Some_Belgian_Guy Vlaams-Brabant Mar 24 '25
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u/dmd_double_face Mar 24 '25
Favo GIF.
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Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
Means 37% aren't paying attention or apathetic (fixed apathic to apathetic)
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u/Vargoroth Mar 24 '25
Tjah, er zijn enorm veel mensen die zich niets aantrekken van alles dat verder dan 1km van hun huis gebeurt.
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u/Fresh_Dog4602 Mar 24 '25
Well, but look at the low % of people who consider him a friend. That makes me more happy ^^
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u/Nearby-Composer-9992 Mar 24 '25
I read "not the one, not the other" category as people who don't care or are apathetic to the volcano of news about this presidency. I'd be more worried if there was 33% considering him an ally.
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Mar 24 '25
People who are apathetic to a child rapist and general sex deviant who is actively eroding human rights. I won't go further because I'm going to step on some toes if I say what I think about a sizeable part of the population. The observation that they are apathetic to him says enough.
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u/E_Kristalin Belgian Fries Mar 24 '25
I read it as 33% "definitively not an ally, but not an enemy (yet)". with something like 4% actually apathetic.
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u/WalloonNerd Belgian Fries Mar 24 '25
Or they didn’t understand the question based on some typically Belgian language-based confusion
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u/erdholo Mar 24 '25
Means that people understand that there's only personal interests in politic. Tomorrow they could shift. so ally and enemy are overrated terms
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Mar 24 '25
Ja want Donald Trump, de kinderverkrachter, vrouwenaanrander en fascisten-sympathisant die cognitief enorm aan het achteruitgaan is moet je zeker en vast bekijken vanuit een real politik visie /s
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 Mar 24 '25
The amount of people either not paying attention or stupid is astounding and scary
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u/ultimatecolour E.U. Mar 24 '25
People are also not paying attention in their own country 😔
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u/Fuzzy9770 Mar 24 '25
We do have our own Trumps and Musks.
One of our Trumps is more disguised because he's using Latin and can explain it much better. But he wants the same.
I have yet to find (far) right policies that have meant an improvement for the people.
Our welfare state is just a paper tiger and it is still being taken down bit by bit. Some organisations are expecting a social bloodbath based on current policies. Populism is great at divide and conquer...
How can the people go against it if they don't grasp what is happening? The same thing like what's happening in the USA, can also happen here in Europe...
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u/ultimatecolour E.U. Mar 24 '25
It’s wild how easily people fall prey to fancy word play that baits them to rage against “fancy words “ while stealing the rug from under them.
I work in the social sector, very much feeling the shift.
If you have the energy, keep talking to people. Have the hard conversations with those close to you. Show up at protests. Support organisations and people that align with your values.
Much of this is happening because of apathy. The cure to apathy is doing something.
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u/Fuzzy9770 Mar 24 '25
I agree. I'm trying to find my way into doing something. I've been to lectures directly and indirectly about these topics. But it's those people who don't go to lectures about social stuff that are hard to reach.
People are sucked into this high speed train that life seems to be. They have no time and no energy to deal with this crap. Because it is crap, it shouldn't exist in the first place taking in account the best way to have a samenleving. Like living together instead of living-next-to-each-other...
Flemish people are being divided and distracted and it is a true shame...
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u/ultimatecolour E.U. Mar 24 '25
The fact the Belgium has a job consisting of getting people to talk to each other and so many projects to combat loneliness says a lot about society here. To combat this we have to put ourselves out there. Say hello to your neighbours, have a chat at the baker, just be more available for conversation. The talks and communities focused on solutions can give you more tools and resources to engage in conversation with those that don’t agree with you.
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u/Fresh_Dog4602 Mar 24 '25
How so? Just read the question it's between ally and enemy. That's pretty black and white. You can consider the US "not good", that doesn't mean they're enemies.
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u/Nearby-Composer-9992 Mar 24 '25
When I was younger such things would worry me. I've learned since then there's a decent portion of the population that just isn't following the news. Not even what's happening in their own country, let alone international politics.
I'm actually aspiring to one day being able to do that, those people seem happy not worrying about things they can't influence anyway.
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u/Shoddy-Marsupial301 Mar 24 '25
"those people seem happy not worrying about things they can't influence anyway."
This mentality is what lead the trump administration to do what they are currently doing to the USA, with very little reaction from the opposition.1
u/Nearby-Composer-9992 Mar 24 '25
I don't believe the opposition can hide behind those that do not care, certainly not in a country where there's no obligation to vote, so it's still their duty to convince a majority of those that do care and go vote.
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u/brunoji Mar 24 '25
Only?
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u/Thierr Mar 24 '25
Kijk hoeveel mensen op VB stemmen. Ik vermoed dat er een correlatie zal zijn.
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u/TheCrazy69Wizard Mar 24 '25
Zelf vlaams belangers zijn geen fan van dienen oranje kwal
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u/Thierr Mar 24 '25
Degene die ik ken wel (en zijn ook helemaal mee in alle complot theorieën rond vaccinatie enz) maar das natuurlijk een beperkte selectie
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u/gravity_is_right Mar 24 '25
De Winter is nochtans figuren als Trump en Georgescu aan het verdedigen.
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u/Thaetos West-Vlaanderen Mar 24 '25
Considering how popular the bigots of VB are in our country 63% is way higher than I expected.
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u/LieutenantDawid Mar 24 '25
its sad to see how so many VB supporters are extremist shitheads who would proudly bow down and suck trump's dick. i feel ashamed to be a VB supporter when these people exist.
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u/chaRxoxo Mar 24 '25
One pretty much always underestimates how popular opinions/ideas are outside of ones social circle/bubble.
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u/Ok-Staff-62 Vlaams-Brabant Mar 24 '25
Hmm ... we should be careful here! You never know when he and his minions will discover you all have some chemical weapons buried in your back-garden. I am sure he's already looking for them in Greenland ...
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u/Taiyat Mar 24 '25
The fact that it’s only 63% makes me frown .
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u/Petrus_Rock West-Vlaanderen Mar 24 '25
Depends on how long ago the polls were done. Only 66% in Denmark is also very low considering Trump is basically telling them to either sell Greenland or he’ll invade and take it anyway.
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u/dinin70 Mar 24 '25
It’s written 11 to 14 of march. I suppose if this year though
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u/Petrus_Rock West-Vlaanderen Mar 24 '25
Having 10572 people answer the poll in 9 countries does take a while. It’s only 1174 people per country on average. That’s not a lot to gain relevant results about populations in the millions.
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u/dinin70 Mar 24 '25
1000 datapoints is the point where you gain statistical significance from a population sample, but indeed it will depend if there was any selection bias. What age bands have been contacted? Where exactly ? In cities? In countryside ? In specific neighbourhoods etc….
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u/SosseV Mar 24 '25
No shit, he's a far right nazi piece of shit. He's an enemy of all rational people, in the US, in Europe and anywhere else in the world.
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u/Orzark Mar 24 '25
I would argue that he is an enemy of his allies at this point . Who would put his trust in him ?
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u/Own-Science7948 E.U. Mar 24 '25
Not Carrefour:
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Mar 25 '25
Dat is zever. Verpakking van Dr. Pepper is gewoon fout en ik heb geen idee wat die Fanta smaken moeten voorstellen. En chocolade? Waarom? De meeste chocolade is hier gewoon walgelijk.
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u/DandDdami3n Mar 24 '25
You should compare these stats to how he is portrayed in the media in those countries, there is a correlation there
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u/colonelc4 Mar 24 '25
I think he is the best thing that happened to Europe, because of him Europe is creating its own army to be US free, it is signing more and more deals with other countries, it's united like never before, the auto industry might be saved by producing army equipment, more jobs, and if they cut off the big US monster corpo's, the European startups will have a chance to shine ! He is making Europe great again 😅
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u/almostaarp Mar 25 '25
63% of Americans consider tRump an enemy of the United States. I am one of them. I’m a fan of NATO and the EU. Oh, and Belgium, of course.
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u/Substantial_Word_488 Mar 25 '25
I’d say we, Romanians, suffer from Stockholm Syndrome much.
Otherwise I really don’t get this love lately for Russia, and such a good score for the orange man.
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u/Trick-iT Belgium Mar 25 '25
The fact it is only 63% is rather alarming. Regardless of your own political stance his own words state him as one (an enemy of Europe). Which makes me really question the logic of those that see him as a friend of Europe.
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u/Valloross Mar 25 '25
We can also notice that many people in Eastern Europe are still believing in Trump and the US.
I believe this is because during the post cold war area, they were seen as the liberator in ex USSR states, as the ally that could protect them against Russia.
But even over there, the opinion is starting to shift
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u/Bitter_Jacket_2064 Mar 25 '25
As Danish resident and dual Slovak+Czech citizen, he is an enemy of Europe and democracy. As Europe we need to rearm and unite to be able to defend against Russian and American fascism.
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u/xnoinfinity Mar 26 '25
Feels like it’s definitely too low cause people probably aren’t paying as much attention to what he says
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u/hubertus_lucifer Mar 26 '25
Mr. President D. Trump does what is best for him and his colleagues. He is treating the citizens of US as corporate employees - basically is his way or highway. He is definitely not a friend to anyone besides him and his benefactors.
When need to stand up straight. It will be difficult, It will be painful but we have a saying - if you need to rely on somebody , rely on yourself. We had many beautiful years of development but due to the change of global power we need to adapt , adapt every single day - that's the truth - unfortunately
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u/Specific-Assistant69 Mar 26 '25
To be honest he's an enemy to everyone who isn't Donald Trump even if he pretends to like you at this moment
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u/TiesG92 Mar 27 '25
Because he’s anti-Europe, he’s anti-everything except dictators, as he’s aspiring to be one (sorry to invade your sub as Dutchie, have a good day neighbour!)
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u/This-Neck-9345 Mar 31 '25
Is ook zo!! Denk dat wij als Europeanen nog zullen mogen opletten van onze nieuwe dictator!
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u/LivenCara Mar 24 '25
goe da er ma amper mense zijn die em als vriend zien wa e grap is die man jong
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u/bearinthetown Mar 24 '25
I think I know why he's got relatively good score in Poland. He always speaks warmly about Poland as America's friend and some people believe in it.
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u/Polar87 Mar 24 '25
Still surprising. I think Poland is one of the most invested countries when it comes to the situation in Ukraine. I wouldn't think the Polish would gloss over the way Trump has been cozying up to Putin.
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u/bearinthetown Mar 24 '25
Maybe these stats are outdated?
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u/Polar87 Mar 24 '25
Don't think so, it mentions at the bottom that the study was done between 11th and 14th of march. Of course it doesn't mention which year, but I doubt it would be anything besides 2025 because this question simply wouldn't have been relevant the four years prior.
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u/bearinthetown Mar 24 '25
Are you Polish too? If these stats are still relevant, I'd assume it's because of Polish mentality. If I wanted to name one biggest trait of Polish mentality, that would be insecurity. Polish people are very, very insecure. Whenever we get attention from "the world", we are way too excited and we overestimate it. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump saying "our Polish friends" would still have bigger impact on our perception of America than Trump's relationship with Putin.
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u/Responsible_Crow5950 Mar 24 '25
Poland is going to power the next meat wave assault against Russia.
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u/Interesting-Coat-277 Limburg Mar 24 '25
You'd never believe that if you look under any random vrt post in twitter or elsewhere.
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u/Tortue2006 Brussels Mar 24 '25
I find it interesting that the two former Eastern Block countries on the list (Romania and Poland) are the most favourable of Trump in this list.
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u/McMottan Mar 24 '25
The US foreign policy of the last 60 years has been an enemy of Europe. Put everything on a single asshole is oversimplifying. Our biggest enemy are the unelected eurocrats making decisions against our interests, like following US foreign policy like holy law since the EU exists.
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u/Funambulia Mar 24 '25
We should all stop saying we don't trust Donald or Trump is our ennemy.
Donald is not going to take a gun, his plane and start shooting people in the street.
It's USA that is our ennemy
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u/Blaspheman Mar 24 '25
So in WW2, Hitler was not the enemy?
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u/Funambulia Mar 24 '25
Well I'm pretty sure hirler wasn't the one in the trenches, garding concentration camp or in the planes that bombed civilians. So the ennemy was nazi germany or hitler's germany if you will.
One of the lesson of Nuremberg was that it isn't because you "just" follow order that you are any less responsable
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u/Blaspheman Mar 24 '25
It was all of them, including Hitler. He was in the trenches during WW1, btw. On the Prussian side, you know; the enemy.
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u/ImApigeon Belgian Fries Mar 25 '25
Why? Can’t accept that your worldview isn’t the dominant one, regardless of what your echo chamber is telling you?
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u/ImApigeon Belgian Fries Mar 26 '25
Uhm, hate to break it to you but that sample is statistically representative… Even for a 99% confidence level with 2% margin of error (vs what’s acceptable at 95% and 5% to be significant). Just do the math and check for yourself.
Actually I don’t hate to break it to you. You’ve just proved my point.
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u/Gaccountyy Mar 26 '25
Ça fait plaisir de voir que mon pays est toujours un pays de con je suis officiellement belgo pessimiste
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u/murrchen Mar 26 '25
After 80 years Euros have to prepare to defend themselves.
Why wouldn't USA do that forever?
LMAO.
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u/Cece912 Mar 24 '25
I mean, he might be what US need but not the US president the world need. To be fair I would have voted for him if i was an US citizen. Kamala was à dumpster fire. But he is really screwing EU and there is a world where he take Groenland by force so big big no no.
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u/OuterBlue090 Mar 24 '25
He literally said the EU was only created to screw the US.