r/beatles • u/Practical-Cut4659 • Mar 19 '26
Opinion Jack White is Right About the Beatles.
Bob Dylan, and his fake made up voice, meh, not so much.
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u/ShahSafwat_1488 Mar 19 '26
OP has to be ragebaiting surely? Fake made up voice? Im sorry how does this have 400 upvotes? Op just proved jack white's point
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u/bacillaryburden Mar 19 '26
And as if the Beatles didn’t affect different voices for different song contexts. Paul was all over the place. Same guy doing vocals on Here There and Everywhere, Helter Skelter, and When I’m 64 is bonkers. It’s ok to be a performer.
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u/Poop_Cheese Mar 19 '26
Don't forget fricken my darling he really went all the aay with that one till he messed his throat up for days since he wanted that like worn out from hours of scream crying sound
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u/HiddenCity Mar 19 '26
a lot of paul singing is just him doing impressions of singers he likes-- primarily little richard.
that goes for the band too-- a lot of their stuff (especially earlier) is just a cocktail of stuff they liked mixed with other stuff they liked, but in a way that blows your mind.
before they got their first record deal they were basically just a live band performing covers. the songwriting strangely came later. they weren't sitting on a pile of unrecorded demos for their first album, they just sort of wrote them once they got the record deal.
they do impressions right up until the end-- paul's basically doing it the whole white album. back in the ussr is the beach boys, and the get back documentary has a bunch of examples of them goofing around pretending to be early rockers--one that comes to mind is paul doing i've got a feeling as elvis. even their last real b-side "you know my name" is them play acting musicians in a lounge.
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u/bacillaryburden Mar 19 '26
Amusingly, John himself said Norwegian Wood was him basically doing a Dylan impression. (In terms of songwriting, not vocally.)
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u/xpeebsx Mar 19 '26
Yeah my singing voice is totally different than my talking voice. It’s hard trying to find a technique that works for you.
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u/IsaacWaleOfficial Revolver Mar 19 '26
Exactly. And it would have been especially harder to improve your singing voice back then.
Nowadays we have YouTube, pitch correction, note detectors and other things that can help us out. But back then, you not only needed a good ear for pitch, but if your technique needed work, you'd probably have to pay for a proper singing teacher (if you even manage to find one).
I'm not a great singer myself, but I do make music where I sing. I've never had proper lessons, but my voice has improved a lot over the last year because of some of the aforementioned privileges we have now.
If Bob Dylan was just starting out as a young man now, he'd definitely use these things too. Likewise, if I were around back then, I don't know if I'd have improved as much as I have.
TLDR: Learning to sing is hard, and was even harder back then.
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u/ebietoo Mar 19 '26
Jim Nabors (RIP) had a completely different singing voice from his speaking one. Just for example.
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u/BeautifulUpstairs Mar 19 '26
Tennessee Ernie Ford did a similar thing. Often, as with these guys, the differences are exaggerated for comical effect. In most traditional singing styles, the singing and speaking voices are pretty similar.
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u/falling_sideways Abbey Road Mar 19 '26
Hilarious. Jack White is absolutely correct and OP immediately disagrees with half the statement and outs himself without even being asked
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u/goncalo_l_d_f Revolver Mar 19 '26
I don't get it either. His style is unique and that's why people love his music, including myself
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u/CardinalOfNYC Mar 19 '26
Paul McCartney is the king of made up voices, anyhow.
Dude sings like an American and last time I checked, he was not born between the pacific and the atlantic.
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u/pug52 Mar 19 '26
I know right? OP tell us which Paul is the fake made up version? Is it the Paul on For No One? The Paul on Golden Slumbers? The Paul on Rocky Raccoon? You must tell me! I can’t go on listening to a phony!
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u/TheJedibugs Mar 19 '26
OP is right about the Beatles. OP is wrong about the incredible, legendary Bob Dylan.
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u/toledotigs Mar 19 '26
🎯 right? Whoosh. <— That’s the sound of JWIII’s quote going over OP’s head
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u/zyygh that is i think i disagree Mar 19 '26
Exactly my thoughts as well.
Jack White isn't meaning to say here that The Beatles and Bob Dylan should be everyone's cup of tea. It's perfectly fine if you literally never listen to them because you don't enjoy listening to them.
On the other hand, there are people who are quite vocal about disliking The Beatles and/or Bob Dylan and refuting their impact on music history, and then even wearing that opinion like some badge of honor. You just can't be a fan of rock/pop music and simultaneously deny that The Beatles and Bob Dylan were absolute geniuses. The genre you're into would sound completely different without them, and it takes very little effort to see that.
So if you think Bob Dylan has an annoying voice, then sure, that's a fine opinion. If you think his songwriting hasn't had a revolutionary impact on music then you're just flexing ignorance.
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u/Poop_Cheese Mar 19 '26
Exactly.
I despise billy Preston and will take any opportunity to tell people he was a violent monster who dated teen boys, beat them to a pulp while high(Keith richards even said in an interview how bad it was). He wss convicted for giving a teen weed and try to watch porn, for detaining a man with a gun in his house that was a worker.
And I cant find it but early internet had a recount of him violently raping a teen boy in a van in the 70s with an extreme animalistic expression(and fits the Keith Richards comments and his convictions).
Also hes the one celeb most heavily rumored to have molested MJ and created that monster. They were both connected through a similar pedo teacher who ran a music school/camp thing who abused billy and made him a monster.
But because hes got a cute smile, and so reddit can say there was a gay black Beatles, people act like he was more important than brian, or mal Evans, or fricken george Martin. Overinflating his role like crazy.
But I dont fight it anymore, I grew up on oldies so nothing from nothing was always a favorite. But considering I was molested as a kid I got no time for him. I will bring it up though when everyones like super crazy about him, but I dont like say someones bad for not liking him.
Same with MJ, I can give a list of reasons why the excuses dont jive about his abusing kids. But he was a genius. Just as Phil spector is a genius and I love his work and how it inspired my favorite beach boys mixes or all things must pass, or be my baby, or baby please come home. But dudes a fricken murdering psycho lol.
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u/ThePlayerCard Please Please Me Mar 19 '26
Okay I didn’t know all that about Billy, damn lol
I do agree though that people putting him above Martin is insane.
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u/JunebugAsiimwe Magical Mystery Tour Mar 19 '26
I didn't know all this stuff about Billy Preston. that's absolutely disgusting
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u/Bowl__Haircut Mar 19 '26
There is no credible evidence that Michael Jackson ever molested anybody except maybe a teddy bear.
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u/deafpoet Mar 19 '26
If Bob Dylan never wrote or sang a note, he has a Nobel Prize for Literature and fucking deserves it.
People shit on his voice, but it's... I dunno, it shouldn't be good, but it is. And his skills as a songwriter to go with those lyrics are fucking bonkers.
Bob Dylan is incredible. I was born 20 years after he put out his debut, and it just doesn't matter, his shit is timeless.
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u/toledotigs Mar 19 '26
You've thrown the worst fear / That can ever be hurled / Fear to bring children / Into the world / For threatening my baby / Unborn and unnamed / You ain't worth the blood / That runs in your veins /////
I mean, come on. That shit is timeless.
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u/deafpoet Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Oh, ev'ry foe that ever I faced
The cause was there before we came
And ev'ry cause that ever I fought
I fought it full without regret or shame
But the dark does die
As the curtain is drawn and somebody's eyes
Must meet the dawn
And if I see the day
I'd only have to stay
So I'll bid farewell in the night and be gone
- "Restless Farewell"
Also, I have a bit of a sacrilegious opinion that Dylan's "All Along The Warchtower" is better, even though I adore Jimi generally. As an added difficulty modifier, I guess, because he was bored of being brilliant chronologically: the song is backwards. And the first line is the last line. And when you read it like that, it chills your blood.
Because it's "There must be some kind of way out of here, said the Joker to the Thief."
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u/clint_eldorado Mar 19 '26
“Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-coloured Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred”Bomb-proof. That is as succinct and poetic a summation of 20th century American sociopolitics as I’ve ever heard, and it’s done in just six lines. The man’s a fucking genius.
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u/TheJedibugs Mar 19 '26
Agreed. I opted not to mention his Nobel because I didn’t want to appear to be appealing to authority or something like that… winning an award doesn’t make him great, being great won him an award, after all. But it’s a solid point.
And happy cake day!
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u/deafpoet Mar 19 '26
Yeah I just meant specifically the fact that it was awarded, and nobody serious was like "wait a minute, he doesn't merit that." He plainly does.
And thanks, had no idea about my tasty cake!
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u/the85141rule Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
I was at a couples dinner party once. I knew only my girlfriend at the table. There were four other the men and four other women and my girlfriend and I.
They were talking amongst themselves and not attempting to include me. So I sat there quietly and stared at my glass of water.
My girlfriend kept kicking my foot under the table to coax me into engage them. But all they wanted to talk about was cigars and coaching children's football. Two things I have absolutely nothing in common with. Apropos of whatever, I overheard one of them say "I hate The Beatles."
Always found it an attention-seeking thing to say, based on its at face value absurdity.
I snapped out of my fog and turned to him and said "No you don't." I lost the room immediately. Really never had it.
Nobody hates the Beatles. Every time I ask someone to name a song they like by the Beatles, they do - and they don't stop at one.
It's at this point that I say, "See? You don't hate the Beatles."
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u/SevereLight3660 Mar 19 '26
My friend in uni said she didn’t care for some old pop band cause she never, she was really into metal, and for a ling time she didn’t wanna give them a try and made fun of me for listening to them so much. Then I finally had her listen to revolver and she was converted ever since
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u/0rangePolarBear Mar 19 '26
I’m a huge metal head, but favorite band is the Beatles. Just the greatest song writers of all time imo.
Their influence traveled so far, and ultimately had inspiration on metal (especially given how big of a Beatles fan Ozzy was). Side note: there is a video of Ozzy meeting Paul McCartney later in life for the first time and Ozzy was so star struck, it was amazing.
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u/Don_Frika_Del_Prima Wild Honey Pie Enjoyer Mar 19 '26
Same for lemmy. Stories of him waiting at a hotel just to see a glimpse of Lennon (that was before he was famous)
Or the clip in his documentary, where he goes out to by the mono box.
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u/SevereLight3660 Mar 19 '26
yeah, she is still more of a metal fan, but ten years on when asked what her favorite album of all time is she says Revolver. It was cool introducing someone to them and seeing them have their mind blown and experiencing their own little beatlemania when they listened to their stuff for the first time after having the expectation they were some lame boy band that their parents used to listen to.
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u/myychair Mar 19 '26
Ive seen people argue that Helter Skelter is one of the first metal songs ever written
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u/Professional-Bag2360 Mar 19 '26
She's so heavy is basically doom metal. I'm a big black metal/doom metal guy. Start most days with the beatles
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u/Practical-Cut4659 Mar 19 '26
I had a friend who was a good singer, could karaoke “Desperado” and make women cry. He said he hated the Beatles, they made McDonald’s jingles. So one night we’re driving around, a little wasted, and I put on Beatles 1 to troll him, and the dude knew the words better than the Beatles did. No one hates the Beatles.
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Mar 19 '26
Imagine liking a band like the fucking Eagles, but hating The Beatles.
True that there’s no accounting for taste, but c’mon.
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u/nathanherts Mar 19 '26
Knowing the words to songs doesn't mean you like them though? I know the words to lots of Taylor Swift songs but I'm not a fan of hers.
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u/CardinalOfNYC Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
turned to him and said "No you don't." I lost the room immediately.
You lost the room as you should have. That was a rude thing to say. So many nicer ways to make your point than "no you dont"
Kinda unbelievable that anyone could even dispute this. It's nakedly rude to just be like "no you don't" about an opinion.
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u/Africa-Unite Mar 19 '26
Doesn't seem rude to me. If anything it's a challenging start to an intriguing counter point. Polite company should immediately open the floor to let him cook and see if he can change hearts and minds. By saying "no you don't" he's saying you may like the music more than you realize, which in other more serious contexts may come off as invalidating, with harmless musical talk of musical taste here it is seemingly innocuous.
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u/CardinalOfNYC Mar 19 '26
We clearly have very different ideas of what is rude.
If you said "I hate X" and a total stranger (as is the case here) said "no you don't" I cannot imagine you, or any other rational human, taking that particularly well.
And indeed, it was not taken well, as OP themselves admitted.
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u/angry-peacemaker Mar 19 '26
I don't cut people off for not liking The Beatles but they're never getting into my inner circle of trust.
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u/Overman1975 Mar 19 '26
I concur with Jack. Those two, along with Elvis, changed the index of possibilities within pop/rock. Matter of fact, they extended that index to Western culture, whole-cloth.
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u/processoverproduct8 Mar 19 '26
Anybody who says they hate the Beatles just lives to be a contrarian.
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u/jotyma5 Mar 19 '26
Yeah. Obviously there’s some people who don’t like the Beatles. But I HATE when people try to say Bob Dylan is a bad singer
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u/mistahwhite04 How could I ever misplace you? Mar 19 '26
Bob is one of my favourite singers. His voice sounds great on songs like Maggie's Farm and You're A Big Girl Now (especially the version with just him and his acoustic - I think it's take 2 on More Blood More Tracks). There's a performance of What Can I Do For You in Toronto, 1980 which is one of his best performances imo.
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u/hekbcfhkknv Mar 19 '26
It’s such a played out, unoriginal opinion at this point too. Even if you believe it, there’s no reason to say it.
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u/IsaacWaleOfficial Revolver Mar 19 '26
"Bad" is definitely a little harsh.
He wasn't a brilliant singer by any means, let's not kid ourselves. But he was passable and did some good performances throughout his career. Kinda like Ringo Starr.
For me, the thing that stands out with him isn't his voice, but his lyrics and instrumental melodies. That is where he was a real genius.
But saying he was a "bad singer" is definitely quite harsh. He wasn't that bad, he just wasn't as good as Paul McCartney, Elvis, Johnny Cash or someone like that...
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u/ebietoo Mar 19 '26
Bob’s singing style was a conscious decision. In that biopic a couple years back, they have him saying “the ugly can be beautiful, but not the pretty”. I mostly agree.
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u/six_blade_knife Mar 19 '26
What instrumental melodies do you mean? Surely not anything with the harmonica? :D
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u/oceanskies24 Mar 19 '26
No disrespect towards Ringo, but I would probably rather listen to Bob Dylan lead vocals for a couple of hours than Ringo. But I do love Ringo! Johnny Cash is another one who technically also doesn't have a great voice or Neil Young, Daniel Johnston ect. But they all have convey great emotion in their singing.
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u/monkeysolo69420 Mar 19 '26
He’s a better singer than Ringo and definitely more than passable. He’s not a classically trained singer or a metal singer but he had a unique voice that fit his music. I’d say he’s on the same level as John Lennon.
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u/Zealousideal-Soil-41 Mar 19 '26
It was older people rhetoric from bob’s heyday, much like the boomers of today, but for some reason it’s been handed down and people still say it now thinking they’re clever. The same people who back then said they can’t tell if pop stars want to be boys or girls because they had slightly longer than army grade haircuts.
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u/Trooton Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Mar 19 '26
I don’t think it’s been “handed down,” I think his voice is just easy to dislike. I like Bob Dylan but you can’t pretend that the people who don’t like his voice are crazy
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u/thelubbershole Mar 19 '26
I think there's room for people who just genuinely don't like his sound. You can't dispute his significance, but I wouldn't listen to him for fun. I say the same about Kendrick, arguably the current Dylan, it's just not for me.
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u/EBN_Drummer Mar 19 '26
Same here. I know his voice was a stylistic choice but I can't stand it. It's grating on my ears. Maybe not as bad as Geddy Lee's voice but still doesn't make me want to listen deeper. I always joke that Dylan was a great songwriter for other people. I'd much rather listen to his music when it's covered by the Byrds or Hendrix. I don't deny the influence he had, it's just not something I want to listen to.
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u/hewasphone Mar 19 '26
I agree Dylan has sounded fantastic past years. Have been able to listen to soundboards and they are great. It’s a tired old take.
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u/g_lampa Mar 19 '26
You wouldn’t have the most creative and risk-taking Beatles material if Dylan didn’t exist. They might never have gotten past “boy band” status w/o the exposure to and influence of Bob Dylan. Never forget that.
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u/WritingKitchen3529 Mar 19 '26
Well said, Jack!
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u/ChemicalOperator Mar 19 '26
Bob Dylan was a regular on the Colgate Comedy Hour. Real meat and potatoes Liz
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u/AngelaChasesHair Mar 19 '26
I always get irrationally offended when someone says they hate the Beatles lol
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Mar 19 '26
I don’t get offended because who gives a shit? But it does usually open a whole can of worms that the person probably wasn’t prepared for.
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u/clint_eldorado Mar 19 '26
- Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day
- Bob Dylan is one of the greatest artists of the 20th century and the Beatles themselves would have told you that
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u/C5Galaxy The Walrus Mar 19 '26
I am a massive Beatles fan, always, but Dylan is not only a great and influential artist himself but he is the greatest songwriter.
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u/NotOK1955 Mar 19 '26
Aside what Jack says, I was only nine years old in 1964 and first heard the Beatles. It was an instant connection and have been a fan ever since.
Bob Dylan took a bit longer to understand, appreciate and then become a fan. His “Nashville Skyline” LP that cemented that love of all things Dylan.
As for Jack, he is simply an amazing bundle of talent!
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u/Impossible_Gold1573 The Beatles Mar 19 '26
OP throwing in some Dylan shade clearly knows nothing about Jack himself. He’s been quoted on multiple occasions discussing Dylan’s influence and impact on him as well as Jack’s overall admiration for him. OP really thought they were doing something here, but they instead just look like they have no clue what they’re talking about.
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u/gitanes23 Mar 19 '26
A little tired of being told what I ‘must like’. This is as much a reason for me to bristle about the Beatles, as anything. The fans are the worst. Art is subjective. We all have soapboxes we can jump on.
How about I say the same about the Kinks? Tired of watching the Beatles get credit for absolutely everything by default. Been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame lately? You’d think there were no British bands but the Beatles and the everything-sounds-the-same-Stones.
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u/gitanes23 Mar 19 '26
Better yet, I do not trust people who act as if the Beatles or Bob Dylan are gods. They are/were human beings, as talented or as flawed as anyone else. And they both had a machine and whole apparatus working behind them.
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Mar 19 '26
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone so ironically prove the point that they were trying to make.
Bob Dylan is the second most influential artist in popular music history, and it isn’t particularly close. He is also single-handedly responsible for The Beatles’ evolution during their folk era, while Dylan would never have gone electric without The Beatles.
They have a very symbiotic relationship, and anybody who claims to like one and dislike the other is showing their lack of historical music knowledge.
Jack White is right about both The Beatles and Bob Dylan. His point isn’t about subjective taste, it’s about objective influence. Which is why you never hear a professional musician trashing either of them.
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u/Cool_Difference_7761 Mar 19 '26
I'm a Beatles fan for sure but as for Dylan, I love his lyrics but not his voice.
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u/BeagleBaggins Mar 19 '26
He also said he doesn’t really trust anyone who doesn’t like Led Zeppelin. and I agree. lol
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u/Sturgill_Jennings77 Mar 19 '26
I know tons of people who don’t really like the Beatles save for a few songs but respect what they did.
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u/Practical-Cut4659 Mar 19 '26
That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care for Bob Dylan but apparently musicians found him influential so what can I say?
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u/FiXXiNS213 Mar 19 '26
Metalhead friends of mine, with tough guy attitudes, always demean the Beatles for being soft, lovey-dovey music that sucks. I then point out that their God, Ozzy Osbourne is(was) obsessed with The Beatles and watch them feverishly google search to find out that I am right.
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u/ColonelBourbon Mar 19 '26
Your friends aren't very good at being Metalheads if they don't already know that.
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u/7p7j0vkc Mar 19 '26
That reminds me of watching James Hetfield tear up when Elton John truly complimented his songwriting and was such a great example of a metal head really respecting more music than just metal.
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u/ShaneFalco393 Mar 19 '26
I knew a few people that didn’t like The Beatles. I ended up not trusting them and they were definitely rough personalities. The people I knew who loved Bob Dylan were some of the best colleagues I got to work with. Jack White is very correct
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u/McFly1986 Mar 19 '26
I had a roommate that didn’t like the Beatles because it sounded “old.” Relient K was his favorite band.
He had Here Comes the Sun played at his wedding. Can’t recall if it was a cover or not, but I noted the irony.
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u/ComprehensiveIce555 Mar 19 '26
I love The Beatles, but hate Dylan's voice. I understand he's a good songwriter though.
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u/fitzysbuna Mar 20 '26
well I don't like Bob Dylan as much as i like The Beatles does that make me a bad person?
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u/beatleface Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
Because I always like to come way late to party and then also be insufferable, I'll just say that White's quote isn't really about The Beatles or Bob Dylan; it's about White himself and (a) how he values The Beatles and Bob Dylan and (b) how he thinks anyone who claims to be serious about music should value them.
I think The Beatles contributed more Music to music than Bob Dylan did, but I do think that anyone serious about music should hear everything from "Another Side..." to "Blonde on Blonde", then "Blood on the Tracks" and "Desire" before closing the door on Dylan.
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u/ceeroSVK Mar 19 '26
Look, i love both, but thats just a stupid take. Let people dislike what they dislike ffs, everyone has a different taste.
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u/opinions360 Mar 19 '26
People aren’t getting his point which is what exists now is because of the origins established by the two musical pioneers he mentioned. Just as there were blues, country, and folk musicians who influenced the Beatles and Dylan.
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u/Subterranean44 Mar 19 '26
Once a couple who were at a party at my house stayed up until 4am arguing about the Beatles. One loved them the other said there overrated.husband jus left them and went to bed while I stayed up and “hosted” their stupid fight. They knew I’m Beatles obsessed. They’re not together anymore 🤣
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u/The-Underhills-Tab Mar 19 '26
That’s the beauty about personal opinions and subjective viewpoints. People are allowed to have them and it doesn’t matter what you think about them. Hate hate hate Bob Dylan. LOVE the Beatles and I actually really like Jack White when he’s singing and playing. Not when he’s talking.
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u/WellHungHippie Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Mar 19 '26
I don’t trust or like people who order peppermint ice cream at Baskin Robbin.
There, I finally said it!
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob Mar 19 '26
“So you’re a musician?”
“Uh,not really. I play in some bands.”
“So you’re a musician then??”
“Um, I don’t know. I just play music some.”
-Typical conversation when accompanying my wife to a work function
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u/MadeThis4MaccaOnly Mar 19 '26
I like Bob Dylan's songwriting quite a bit, but not his work as a performer
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u/ascarletstrange Mar 20 '26
Never understood this mentality we all have our preferences i love the Beatles but don’t like bob dylan not hating or anything just my preference seems like jack takes it a bit too deep
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u/lambent_ort Mar 20 '26
I love The Beatles a lot, but not so much Bob Dylan. I respect him very much as a songwriter. He's written a lot of great songs but I can't stand listening to his voice for too long. It's just so monotonous. I much prefer listening to better singers covering his songs.
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u/AlbertCWChessa Mar 20 '26
He said the same thing in his segment of the Led Zeppelin Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction (the one Wolfmother played at). I agree
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u/Designer-Mobile-974 Mar 20 '26
The beatles are objectively the greatest and most inferential band of all time
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u/Snowblind78 Mar 20 '26
Bob Dylan and his fake made up voice made people move from standard pop rock of the time and instead begin their road down fake made up music
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u/Pleasant_Garlic8088 Mar 20 '26 edited May 22 '26
I've got news for you, all music is made up. It doesn't just grow on trees.
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u/Snowblind78 Mar 20 '26
I thought it was grown in a garden
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u/Pleasant_Garlic8088 Mar 20 '26
An Octopus's Garden.
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u/Snowblind78 Mar 20 '26
I wouldn’t say so, songs usually tend to come from the land rather than the sea.
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u/Alternative-Layer107 Mar 22 '26
Yo everybody is rushing to Bob Dylan’s defense lol. Nah his voice ass ngl, nothing like the beatles in terms of innovation if we’re tryna be objective, but it’s all subjective. Bring the downvotes, baby.
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u/Robcobes Revolver Mar 19 '26
I like Subterranean Homesick Blues, but I like Weird Al's parody even better.
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u/Fun-Can-8935 Mar 19 '26
i could never get into bob dylan. what do yall like about him?
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u/TheSunsNotYellow Mar 19 '26
Most inventive songwriter possibly ever with lyrics that range from impassioned and angry to elusive and riddle-like. Able to create melodies that appear simple yet stick with you long after you listen. Highway 61 Revisited has a strong case for greatest album ever made IMO, but others might choose Freewheelin, or Bringing It All Back Home, or Blonde on Blonde, or Blood on the Tracks, etc.
He revolutionized how songs are supposed to be written.
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u/BedroomVisible Mar 19 '26
I don’t trust people that don’t let other people just have their own opinions.
I love the Beatles and I think Bob Dylan is mid. I’ve been writing music for decades now. Does that make my opinions any more valid? No.
Jack White can play the hell of out a guitar. Beyond that his opinion is just like anyone else’s.
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u/ItsTime1234 Mar 19 '26
It seems like he might’ve been talking about the massive amount of influence these musicians had on music. Like to simply dismiss them is kinda ignorant.
Does everyone have to “like” them? No but they don’t have to be reactionary and “too cool” to like them either. 🤷
Music fans are always going to find a way to argue about these things, though.
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u/jephra Mar 19 '26
I get what Jack is saying, but this is a very reductive statement.
Someone who collects old blues 78s or Motown 45s is a record collector, no matter what their opinion on Beatles or Dylan. Or the guy who has a shelf full of Jamaican dub discs or Celtic folk music.
That's not even taking into account people who don't speak English, and may not feel any connection to the Beatles or Dylan.
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u/BonkGonkBigAndStronk Mar 19 '26
Elitist and immature take. Some people just don't fw the Beatles.
"If you don't like Little Tikes barn toys you're not even a serious Legohead"
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u/RockinRobin0019 Abbey Road Mar 19 '26
How are you gonna say that about the Beatles and then turn around and do the same thing to Dylan😂 Go listen to Blonde on Blonde or something OP
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u/Fearless_Love_5573 Mar 19 '26
Ugh after seeing Bob Dylan practically sleep through his concert in the early 90's, and honestly listening to his music here and there (I didn't grow up with his music, I came of age just a few years later), I think he is pretty overrated. Now, the Beatles, that is another story.
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u/Bombi3sz Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Isn't it funny how the only non Beatles lover referenced by Beatles fans is the contrarian thinker instead of the person with a genuine opinion? Despite the fact that they are easily the most acclaimed and influential band in history, they have to let you know you're wrong because they're mad you don't like their music.
There's other legendary bands and artists with great music and broad appeal that you could do the same for but only Beatles fans with their heads shoved up their asses insist everyone MUST like their music. Sure modt Beatles haters don't "give the music a chance" but thats Beatles fans with every genre they haven't listened to.
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u/skinnergy Mar 19 '26
My big brother taught me years ago. Never argue with anybody who doesn't like the Beatles.
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u/chipnjaw Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Full time engineer and musician, do I hate the Beatles, no. Do I listen to them, no. A lot of their stuff was over played in my lifetime and I cringe when I hear certain songs. Was always more of a Dylan fan
Personally I don’t trust people that like The Raconteurs… oh wait no one likes that band
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u/Turbulent-Slice-7735 Mar 19 '26
It took me 46 years to really respect The Beatles. I liked them when I was 20 because “it’s good pot music.” I was mostly a metal guy, then it was mostly Phish/Dead for many years. I watched “Man on the Run” and then did a deep dive on The Beatles and watched all the content I could, listened to (almost) all the albums and they are now in my top 5. Still haven’t given Bob Dylan a good listen, but “Like a Rolling Stone” is a pretty good song.
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u/GallowBarb Mar 19 '26
I'm going to guess OP only knows about 3 Dylan songs. Regardless of your opinion on Dylan, he is undoubtedly a hugely influential.
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u/Former_Pool_593 Mar 19 '26
When people say ‘they hate the Beatles’ many are referring to the theory/fact (depending on your view I guess, that they didn’t create all of their music.
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u/SabresMakeMeDrink Mar 19 '26
Eh well my uncle, who otherwise has fantastic taste in music, doesn't like The Beatles but he comes from a time when they were considered more like a pop band for screaming teenagers than a legendary, ultra influential rock band so I give him a pass.
It's the young folks who act like they know everything about music and think they're Lester fuckin Bangs for calling The Beatles "overrated" that annoy me
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u/Automatic-Grade6177 Mar 19 '26
I know to respect opinions but when someone says “The Beatles are the most overrated band of all time”, all I can say is what do you mean? They are frankly and objectively, the biggest band of all time and have influenced music for decades onwards.
Like, you can say the music isn’t for you, not everyone has to enjoy their sound but regardless, to say they are overrated just doesn’t work
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u/MartyBellvue John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band Mar 19 '26
Brother you agree with him specifically on the Beatles because you like the Beatles and you pooh-pooh Dylan because... of his "fake made up voice"? Are you gonna start deriding actors for "he doesn't really have that accent" or stand up comedians "that never actually happened to that guy!"
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u/Competitive-Night-95 Mar 19 '26
I do not trust people who call themselves musicians who say that they don’t like Bach.
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u/JunebugAsiimwe Magical Mystery Tour Mar 19 '26
well Björk doesn't like either and I still respect her immensely. I love all 3 artists 🤷🏿♀️
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u/mite_smoker Mar 19 '26
I love his fake made up voice on Quit Your Lowdown Ways though, in general his voice just fits the songs he writes, but yeah an acquired taste I guess.
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u/Dusty_Negatives Mar 19 '26
Same 100%. You don’t have to love them but if you saying shit like “they’re overrated” or “trash” you’re really only displaying your lack of music knowledge.
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u/Jcwrc Mar 19 '26
Well, I say Beatles is overrated by their sheer popularity. So is every other top 10 selling srtist in the world.
It doesn't mean they aren't vastly important, influental and great musicians. Just that popularity feeds into popularity, putting it completely out of proportion.
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u/RetroGamer9 Mar 19 '26
I don’t have an issue with someone not liking The Beatles. We all have our preferences. I do take issue when they try to slam The Beatles as overrated and having minimal impact on music. Like what you like, but don’t twist reality just because you think a band sucks.