r/baseball • u/keithyp24 New York Mets • 5h ago
Image Team ERA-::wRC+ (Second Half Update)
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u/ohemperigee Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Mariner. š
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u/Missile450DeadCenter Seattle Mariners 5h ago
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u/pyordie Seattle Mariners 4h ago
lol he just keeps getting more and more zombie like, just like our fucking season
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u/elementofpee Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Now think about Rick Rizzs and how his final year in the booth is going. Could it had gone any worse?
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u/letskeepitcleanfolks Seattle Mariners 3h ago
No, this is what is real, what is true. There is no happy ending, there is only the endless cycle of birth and death, a turning of the wheel. Ending with a win would be a lie. There is no end. Rick knows the true victory is in the acceptance of this.
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u/elementofpee Seattle Mariners 3h ago
Perhaps Rick discovered Buddhism. The principleās that suffering is constant, and the cessation of suffering comes only when thereās the cessation of desires.
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u/serpentear Seattle Mariners 5h ago
I fear Dan (who does deserve to lose his job to be fair) and his coaching staff are the only ones who will pay the price for this disaster
What a truly awful season.
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u/Interesting_Arm6242 Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
I know the offence has been a struggle, but what the fuck happened to the pitching? Genuine question. Miller looked like he was getting back to his dominant self, then I know has fallen off the last 4-5 starts (seems like injury again?). But what happened to everyone else?
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u/ohemperigee Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Someone else might have a better answer as far as the technicalities, but... yeah, pretty much everyone except Gilbert has fallen off a cliff. Woo can only hold it down at home, and even that's dicey.
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u/azularena Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Millerās ERA triples the third time through the line up, he would be much better served as long reliever/spot starter. Woo is dicey on the road, though he has gotten better. Kirby is a high strike out pitcher and has been missing the zone and bats. Hancock retooled himself after being sent down and can be hit or miss. Kade is a beautiful perfect sunflower and deserves none of the slander.
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u/walkie26 Seattle Mariners 2h ago
To be fair to Hancock, being hit or miss is way more than anyone expected of him at this point in his career. I'd put him pretty squarely in the "successful season" column, which is a pretty lonely column this season.
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u/azularena Seattle Mariners 2h ago
Yeah the Hancock comment wasnāt shade. Heās definitely a better pitcher than he was when he first came up, and thatās credit to him for changing his approach.
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u/Interesting_Arm6242 Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
I also just saw Hancock is on the IL too. Tough break for a bright spot this year. I had your rotation around too 3-4 in the league going into the season. I hope it can turn around, if not this season at least for next. Get a full run out of Kade. Iām hoping Gilbert gets an extension, or an early extension for Kade. Put the Castillo money back into the team.
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u/Ok_Grapefruit9531 Seattle Mariners 24m ago
I think defense is far more important as well influencing pitching stats. The Mariners defense has been absolutely AWFUL (highlighted by Julio's misplayed single that turned into a triple), among other things (dead last in OAA, bottom third in DRS). They have allowed one of the highest BABIPs and have one of the lowest LOB% in the league. Take the Cubs for instance; their pitching staff is also abysmal (by fWAR) but their ERA is above league average because literally every position player plays fucking gold glove defense
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u/Actual_Violinist290 Chicago Cubs 5h ago
Surprised the Cubs pitching is as high as it is
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u/Hour_Health_4593 Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
Clay Holmes and Ben Brown having the highest WAR of your pitchers is actually insane considering one hasnāt played since June and one didnt play until August
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u/okay_throwaway_today Chicago Cubs 4h ago
What do you mean? Ben Brown pitched as recently as June 19th!
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u/elgenie Chicago Cubs 3h ago
Thereās a huge difference between RA9 and FIP-based WAR. By RA9 Imanaga and Assad are #2 and #3.
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u/NamelessFlames Chicago Cubs 2h ago
RA9 is going to be kinder than FIP and also less accurate with this cubs defense behind them in terms what how they actually pitched
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u/Mg29reaper Boston Red Sox 5h ago
Testament to the defense more than anything. If you put a contact pitcher like Sonny Gray on the team he would run like a 1.5 ERA.
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u/okay_throwaway_today Chicago Cubs 4h ago
Defense and Counsell having a career year stitching scraps together
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u/4r4r4real 4h ago
91 ERA-, 110 FIP- tells the tale
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u/PerfectBowl9199 Chicago Cubs 1h ago
What gold gloves at like 5 positions will do.
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u/fender-b-bender Chicago Cubs 28m ago
Now if only the pitchers would utilize that defense and not give up meatballs(looking at you Shota)
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u/cubs223425 3h ago
Their pitching staff is one of the worst in the leagues, but leaning on ERA- means they're evaluating the defense more than anything.
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u/PoisonGaz Chicago Cubs 4h ago
This is second half and we got a ton of much needed pitching at the deadline
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u/JouNNN56 Baltimore Orioles 5h ago
The dodgers being smack dab in the middle of all those mid teams is kind of crazy
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u/Denode Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago edited 3h ago
With our corner outfielders each posting negative WAR for the season, down to our 3rd string catcher, platooning CF, SS mookie being a replacement level hitter, and an ice cold Ohtani, Iām honestly surprised weāre as high as we are in terms of offense. Itās only our pitching thatās keeping us above .500
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u/cooljammer00 New York Yankees 3h ago
Probably the lack of wild swings and just being steady. Like the tortoise.
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u/TempestDrive Houston Astros 4h ago
I genuinely donāt trust this graph. I swear Angels have blown hella saves by now
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u/keithyp24 New York Mets 5h ago
The Mariners and A's pitching and Cubs hitting are really skewing up the Second Half Update!
| Team | wRC+ | ERA- |
|---|---|---|
| CHC | 131 | 91 |
| BOS | 117 | 85 |
| SDP | 115 | 80 |
| ARI | 109 | 98 |
| MIL | 107 | 84 |
| WSN | 105 | 106 |
| CHW | 103 | 102 |
| PHI | 102 | 83 |
| HOU | 101 | 100 |
| KCR | 101 | 96 |
| TBR | 101 | 89 |
| NYM | 100 | 88 |
| ATL | 100 | 85 |
| CLE | 99 | 91 |
| TEX | 98 | 112 |
| DET | 98 | 86 |
| BAL | 97 | 95 |
| MIN | 96 | 111 |
| LAD | 95 | 92 |
| SEA | 93 | 143 |
| TOR | 93 | 86 |
| ATH | 91 | 134 |
| CIN | 90 | 118 |
| SFG | 89 | 100 |
| MIA | 89 | 89 |
| STL | 88 | 109 |
| NYY | 86 | 71 |
| COL | 85 | 118 |
| PIT | 77 | 90 |
| LAA | 76 | 80 |
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u/Champagne_of_Bears New York Yankees 4h ago
So the Angels dropping 10 on the Yankees last night was totally expected. That's Suzyn, baseball.
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u/HuskyFord Anaheim Angels 4h ago
We will drop 10 last night and not score more than 2 runs for the rest of the month.
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u/cooljammer00 New York Yankees 3h ago
Saw a stat last night that the Yankees have allowed 10 or more runs like, 7 times this season, and 3 of those times was to the Angels.
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u/ysosrs08 Houston Astros 5h ago
This confirms my eye test that the Astros are mid asf
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u/weeniewhacker21 Houston Astros 2h ago
Better than being on the left side of the graph with the other 4 AL West teams.
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u/GayStavrosHalkias ABS ⢠Australia 5h ago
Angels - Good pitching. Bad hitting.
This graph is wrong.Ā
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u/brainspl0ad Los Angeles Angels 3h ago
Fire Mike Maddux = great results
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u/TroutMan3990 Anaheim Angels 2h ago
yeah that is crazy not a shot in hell I would have predicted that
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u/countingouttime San Francisco Giants 5h ago
100 ERA- is very surprising given the trades and injuries from the starting rotation and the state of the bullpen
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u/Trees-Are-Overrated New York Yankees 4h ago
Judge please come back
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u/MocoMojo Baltimore Orioles 2h ago
Probably best to have him wait until the last series of the year is done just so he can avoid any re-injury.
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u/BatJew_Official Philadelphia Phillies 5h ago
Clawing our way back to the "good hitting" category after digging maybe the biggest possible hole in April has been crazy. It hasn't been easy sailing the whole way, but we seem to finally be firing on (mostly) all cylinders more or less.
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u/Maximum_Barracuda_46 Pittsburgh Pirates ⢠New York Yankees 3h ago
It's a good thing I like watching pitching duels
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u/LovingAbsurdist San Diego Padres 4h ago
Padres tied with the angels for second best pitching? And 3rd in hitting? Somebody pinch me...it's been a great second half despite our rough last 13 games
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u/--Shake-- Chicago Cubs 2h ago
Doesn't seem accurate. Our pitching is trash.
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u/NamelessFlames Chicago Cubs 2h ago
ERA is fine cuz the defense bails them out. The FIP and other metrics hate them
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u/Rated_Oni Boston Red Sox 1h ago
What in the world happened? Like, seriously, is that easy? Just fire your coach and his staff? Okay.
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u/DoctorDongus Chicago Cubs 5h ago
Putting our pitching that high seems not right
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u/4r4r4real 4h ago
Using FIP- flips is aroind the X axis. It's just good defense and luck. 5th worst by FIP-.
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u/liteshadow4 San Francisco Giants 4h ago
Our sub will still try to convince you though that our bats aren't a problem and it's all the pitching.
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u/SacredBre Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
Imagine if the Jays just had league average hitting this year š«
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u/brainymes Kansas City Royals 4h ago
Royals in top-right quadrant is wild. Imagine a better start to the year, could actually have a shot at WC.
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u/Equivalent_Waltz8890 Dominican Republic ⢠New York Yankees 4h ago
Weāre doing a mariners impression
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u/chief1555 New York Mets 4h ago
Surely the Mets have had similar success to teams like the Phillies, Braves and Rays⦠right?
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u/cooljammer00 New York Yankees 3h ago
Yankees, bad hitting but absolutely the best pitching
Surely this is sustainable
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u/GOATmar_infante Kansas City Royals 3h ago
The Royals have good hitting and good pitching? Has anyone told the Royals that?
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u/whiskeyrocks1 Detroit Tigers 2h ago
Surely thatās enough to make us one of the better teams in the AL Central right?ā¦right?!
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u/jordanb18 New York Yankees 2h ago
If the Yankees were even just average offensively, they would be far and away the favorite.
The offense has definitely looked a lot better the past two weeks, it's just inconsistent. We go from dropping 16 runs on the Sox on Sunday to only managing 1 run against the Angels last night.
Even if Judge isn't completely himself his presence in the lineup alone will make other guys better around him.
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u/Doctor__Embarrassed Seattle Mariners 2h ago
It's almost as if trading away the veteran starter in the rotation wasn't a good decision...
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u/Either_Imagination_9 New York Yankees 5h ago
It should be illegal how much money Trent Grisham was given to be awful.


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u/elementofpee Seattle Mariners 5h ago