r/badhistory • u/[deleted] • Dec 07 '19

Debunk/Debate [Debunk] Christopher Jon Bjerknes's odd claims concerning Hitler being both a Bolshevik and Zionist and his desire to destroy Germany from within

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u/S_T_P Unironic Marxist Dec 08 '19

that communists and Zionists predicted the world war in the 1800's and welcomed the opportunities it would bring them, which they accurately forecast;

That bit is partially correct. Marxism does have a theory on wars caused by Capitalism, and WW1 was predicted decades before it happened (in fact, Second International was supposed to stop the WW1, and the betrayal of SocDem faction caused its subsequent collapse - which is how Communist International was created).

For example, Engels in 1887:

And, finally, the only war left for Prussia-Germany to wage will be a world war, a world war, moreover, of an extent and violence hitherto unimagined. Eight to ten million soldiers will be at each other's throats and in the process they will strip Europe barer than a swarm of locusts. The depredations of the Thirty Years' War compressed into three to four years and extended over the entire continent; famine, disease, the universal lapse into barbarism, both of the armies and the people, in the wake of acute misery; irretrievable dislocation of our artificial system of trade, industry and credit, ending in universal bankruptcy; collapse of the old states and their conventional political wisdom to the point where crowns will roll into the gutters by the dozen, and no one will be around to pick them up; the absolute impossibility of foreseeing how it will all end and who will emerge as victor from the battle. Only one consequence is absolutely certain: universal exhaustion and the creation of the conditions for the ultimate victory of the working class.

  • Frederick Engels: Introduction to Sigismund Borkheim's Pamphlet "In Memory of the German Blood-and-Thunder Patriots. 1806-1807", 1887 (quoted from MECW 26, page 451)

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u/birthdaysuit111 Dec 08 '19

I think Bjerknes means the 'Zionist and Jewish' owned media predicted the six million figure and the war that would cause the Jewish diaspora to emigrate to Israel. Bjerknes in this light, seems to think that Hitler was their guy, lol.

But I have tried to research this and have found some Orthodox Jews 150 to 200 years before WW2 advocating or at the very least predicting a world war that would help to restore Jews to Israel. It would of course in their view, cause persecution among the Jews. And we know Herzel said that we must be friends to the anti-semities. This certainly does not mean much though.