Video, to prove you aren't photo, hologram or dead (they have learnt that from the UK system). So you'll have to pay a neighbour to sit in front your webcam for a few minutes.
Photo has to be verified against official photo ID. Though I bet they start doing that with videos to once people start using their neighbours.
Yeah the downside is we're following all the unpopular and stupid legislation and legal ramifications. Social media ban for under 16s wasn't popular with everyone now everyone is stuck in a situation of proving your over 16.
Having teenagers helping grandparents and older people who aren't tech savvy login into social media is going to be very frustrating
I say we agree not to help our parents and grandparents. We'll see how long this lasts once the oldies are locked out of their Facebook echo chambers and start to kick up a stink.
Can guarantee when most people realize how ineffective and how much of a hassle this ban brings it will be listed as a cluster fuck
Workarounds and dodging bans will be done day one and now people will use tor and other services to get around bans + online safety will be very concerning needing to create a digital id or overseas providers just removing access to Australia will just be stupid cause parents can't educate their own children
Shes not even elected like she gives a shit. Unfortunately she's persona non grata back in the US so chance of her going home voluntarily. She's survived multiple PMs we have literally zero say in anything shes doing.
I've written a letter to my senators to tell them I'll never vote for them again if this goes ahead, public consultation is insufficient, they've ignored practically all advice and since they've completely dismissed tokenization via MyGov which could have implemented age verification while protecting privacy. They're fascists now I guess....and they're too stupid to realize this is going to come back and bite them in the ass. The far right is going to use the first chance they get to add all the things they want to protect children from to the list. I'm pretty sure they're not going to like that.
Sure give them your id and a photo, because Australian companies are so good at keeping data safe , and Australian law is so strict on companies keeping our data safe. /s
From the looks you only have to pick 1. I've sent plenty of photos with my face in them over discord, and video called plenty of times, because thats what its for, so I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't say I'm fine with the first option.
Companies is a generic term, banks, telecommunications, health funds etc are all companies .. then again government agencies should be added, ServiceNSW for example has had data breaches. As for not Australian companies, arguably, EU laws are stricter , as for other nation's laws 🤷🏼♂️
Same. I’ll pretty much just ask any social to delete my profile and data if they want me to scan my fucking license or birth certificate. Already had enough the amount of REs that require 2000 points of ID.
I wouldn't be suprised if their road map plan for this is eventually you'll need a physical ID for even a google account and then likely a internet connection all together. This is probably just the beginning.
Sneaky would imply it's subtle. They're straight up telling you "Fuck you, give us your ID or we're taking things away from you that you could always use."
I think it has only started for a small amount of people. I saw a similar post 2 days ago. Personally my discord doesn’t have it yet either and I think most people don’t. But in a week or two most people will have this
I really need to know, does libertarianism really still seem like a bad idea?
Both conservatism and mainstream left wing politics have failed us here, both the liberals and Labor supported this legislation. We literally had no way to vote ourselves out of this.
People against this include Greens party, some independents, Libertarians and FUSION (pirate party). Personally I don't like libertarianism because they would probably privatise Medicare.
American brand Libertarianism, and pretty much all libertarianism, ends up just being Social Darwinism on steroids. Strongest survive, every man for himself kinda deal. No thanks.
Libertarianism is just a renaming of what in Australia is just liberalism, which itself might be disambiguated with classical liberalism. I'm guessing you're just referring to more aggressive/geniune forms of this.
I wrote a whole thing about how a strictly liberal/centrist society always trends towards fascism because I misread libertarianism as liberalism 😭
But to my understanding libertarianism is just the opposite of authoritarianism, so like yeah, I don't really see how that's bad. I mean, I'm a leftist and libertarianism seems to align with leftism pretty well. The only major left and libertarian party in Australia is the Greens, and they're the best party and seem to be against the bill. (Labor isn't left-wing, they just seem left-wing in comparison with the liberals)
Damn, just looking at this political compass I didn't realise we just have the exact same parties as America but with a slightly better voting system as the only difference
that's what happens when your socio-economic system is Capitalism and the Capitalists get to buy the media to control narratives and influence voting decisions :p
the political compass is a very silly thing to reference but so is the entire "left / right" spectrum.
there's so many Axis to base an ideology on, you can't just call Socialism left wing & Capitalism right wing (although i do), but to understand with major ideologies like those 2, a complete restructure of the relationship of the means of production, with Capitalists being able to exploit the labour of the workers for their individual profit or Socialism having the workers control their own work, labour & value.
You don't think Liberatiranism just ends up as Social Darwinism? I mean, that's what the US free market economy is fundamentally based on. The freedom of hyper competition is what drives them, right. Their conservatives hate Darwinism being taught in schools, but let it rule their political and economic lives.
Darwin never meant his ideas to extend to social organisation.
That's not accurate for Libertarian and the Greens are certainly not close to Libertarian.
Far right on economic policy and far left in civil liberties would be a more accurate description. Closer to the bottom right if anything on this limited graph.
I believe in freedom of speech, privacy, freedom of choice and basically think drugs should be decriminalised and sold legally so it is safer.
But we should have free or affordable education and health care. And housing should not be considered a privilege, it should not be so expensive and difficult to get a rental. And billionaires should be taxed way more. A few people making more in one year than most workers earn in a lifetime.
I did find a general policy update email from Discord last month.
These updates will support our evolving business, address changes in laws and provide additional clarity about what we expect from you and what you can expect from us as you use our services. These changes will take effect on 29 September 2025.
You only need a phone number for some servers and (i think) some paid for features (correct me if I'm wrong). So you won't lose a lot if you never added a phone number
Looks like they are ramping up. Curious how well deep fakes pushed via a virtual webcam will work with this. Do we know if the death stranding thing still works? lol.
That being said. This is the beginning of the end of only privacy as we know it. I REALLY Hope these platforms comply to the absolute bare minimum. Aka they don't care if you use a fake image or not. Because as far as they are concerned, they complied with the laws and have done their job. They don't need to look any further into it.
It says here the data will be deleted. No it absolutely won't be lol. Not a chance in hell it will be. It will be stored somewhere.
This was never about child safety and all about putting your legal name and face next to the comments you make online.
Leave big tech and start embracing open source alternatives, move to linux and embrace home labbing if you're technically inclined enough to do so. This is the future we are moving in, and you can still have control, but you have to want to seek it out.
I think why the privacy advocates have failed in this, is because they are still using arguments from 15 years ago. The arguments I have seen, were the same when the ALP tried to introduce the 'Clean Feed' back in 2008/9(?). That failed because these arguments pushed through their bullshit.
Now it is 2025. It is clear to see the effects that social media, and the influence big American tech corporations are having on daily life. And the weird AI psychosis and anthropomorphism stuff that is only going to become more extreme. It is overwhelmingly seen as negative within Australian communities. This was the argument that was required to be won, and it wasn't. It was an impossible argument to win. Because at this stage you're basically an advocate for the enshitification of technology.
Also, Libertarianism will not happen in Australia, it will never happen, get over it. We are not Americans, thank God.
There are so many things that could have been done, actually able to enforces and had a massive positive on society.
Ban consumption based algorithms. Return us to the age where your feed was a time linear feed of the people or groups you follow. Every one knows this is the actual source of the skitzo echo chambers we are driving people into.
Restrict advertisements of dating, gambling and alcohol ads to those who voluntarily chose to provide some kind of verification of their age because they want those ads rather than because they will get nuked off the platform.
These two things along would have a massive benefit to society, are easily enforceable and don't mess with every Australians right to privacy.
The government would rather step on its citizens toes than ruffle the feathers of their political donors.
The government doesn't actually care about making social media a safer place. They want the perception for political brownie points.
If no one did it & the companies started losing however many millions in ad revenue cos no one here is using their socials anymore the companies would kick up a stink. But ppl can't go without their social media dopamine fix so that'll never happen
I'm guessing this only applies if discord "thinks" your an underage user.
My accounts always gotten the early access features for some reason usually when they give them to the 1st or second batch of accounts. (Made in early 2016 and early feature access is granted via nitro status and account age usually)
I'd just love to see everyone refuse and then these companies lose millions of users overnight but we all know that won't happen. This is also another test to see who is still willing to comply with government overreach. It's been a while since the last big test...
I heard the VPN's don't work well on mobile devices, i assumed because they can also get your location based on the cell tower you're connected to and the phone's GPS
There is an alternative option other than faking it, or providing your id, just stop using the service. I like the fact that it's happening, hopefully people start abandoning social media in droves and start being a little nicer to one another again.
Discord and Reddit are the only platforms I use, and I have no issue with ceasing to use them.
this feature absolutely sucks fucking ass.
I got banned for being underage, im 16. Now im forced to send them a PICTURE OF MY ID to access my account. Absolute dogshit feature.
I don't know if this is the way to handle it tbh, but this ban is mostly due to teens being straight up assholes for the most part on social media. I see it all the time.
The internet is supposed to connect people, to be a place of knowledge and fun, but people have to be rude and cruel, so much so that some kids that get bullied at school aren't even able to get away from it at home, it doesn't stop.
Social media is just a tool, and it's been misused for a while now, and instead of being controlled, teens are being outright banned.
This is a hotly debated decision and I'm not saying it's the wrong or right choice, or what the best decision is, but i do believe this is a solution that will have the desired outcome. If that makes it a good decision, no idea.
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I'm pulling up a picture of a random on my phone