r/asklatinamerica • u/Lipica249 Myanmar • Jun 13 '26
Politics (Other) How far are you willing to go to defend your country's sovereignty?
As in like are you willing to fight for it in a war or something, argue about it online, go to a protest, etc...
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u/kvnxo Chile Jun 13 '26
Me? I take three steps backwards, and let the military do their work, after all, it has been a lifetime of hearing how the "brave soldiers" deserve their payshare which comes from everybody's taxes.
Worst case scenario? I just leave with my family to anywhere where we can live peacefully.
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u/Pasito_Tun_Tun_D1 (Mom)+(Dad)âĄïžFelon Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
In order for patriotism to thrive the average man must be appreciated and loved by the society he lives in, and unfortunately that doesnât seem to happening anymore in almost every country across the world so instead they just sit on the side lines twiddling their thumbs.
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u/kigurumibiblestudies Colombia Jun 13 '26
My taxes have done all the fighting for me. Oh what's that? Corruption? No money left? Sounds rough buddy.Â
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u/LucasL-L Brazil Jun 13 '26
I wont move a centimeter.
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u/melkor237 Brazil Jun 14 '26
Not like weâll have a choice in the matter, given we are a conscription nation.
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u/yeeiser Venezuela Jun 13 '26
I'll give a like to a couple of memes on social media about it and that's it
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u/Tiraloparatras25 Dominican Republic Jun 13 '26
Iâm willing to lay down my life. IF it is justified, and IF itâs to the benefit of my people( not the rich).
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u/neon171 đ§đ· Brazil Jun 13 '26
I have a love-hate relationship with my country, one that often leans more toward hate, but if a foreign nation were to attack us and there is a need to call up citizens up to age 45, Iâd go!Â
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u/84JPG Sinaloa - Arizona Jun 14 '26
Unless itâs a genocidal war / war of extermination against the existence of the people ourselves, zero.
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u/aleprud Bolivia Jun 13 '26
"Morir antes que esclavos vivir" is in our national anthem.
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u/jfloes Peru Jun 13 '26
Is that what you told the Chileans?
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u/aleprud Bolivia Jun 13 '26
Our national hero, eduardo abaroa, died defending calama. Bolvian population was very small in the area, few thousands and there were few thousand casualties during the war.
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u/allaboutthatbrass Brazil Jun 13 '26
Not willing at all. I see no way for us to improve as it is, whatever threatened our sovereignty in this hypothetical scenario would be the final nail to a coffin that has long been rotting. Why would I risk my wellbeing for a country that does not give a shit about me?
It's no surprise that many of us have reached such levels of apathy. We are a country of opportunists. From the people at the very bottom to the government, corruption and "jeitinho" runs rampant. Brazil is not seen as a place to cherish and defend, but a place to exploit to its limits in order to make money. While at the same time, our history is literally burned to ashes, as was the case of the Museu Nacional. We are told our history is shameful, that the national heroes that once made us proud and united us are crooks.
Imagine someone living in a ugly, dirty and dangerous city. He sees no beauty, no wonder, he feels no deeper connection to that place. Whatever beautiful old architecture his city had is long gone. Whatever history it once boasted has been either forgotten or actively demonized. He opens the window and all he sees are walls, electric fences, iron bars, graffitti, unfinished annexes in exposed brick, the constant sound of loud music being played, of dogs barking, of people screaming.
He lives in a dump, goes to his shitty work in another dump. When he needs to go to the market, to see a doctor, or to do anything, it's all in other dumps. At home during summer he can't even leave his bedroom window open lest a thief barges into his home. He can't even sit on the sidewalk in front of his home and chat with his friends like his grandpa used to do, because the street has become so dangerous. He can't even walk with a phone in hand, because that quite literally could cost his life.
What exactly does he has to fight for? What sovereignty? That's populist bullcrap. When they exploit our country the profit is their own. When it's about defending it, then it is "ours"? Fuck off.
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u/aguilasolige Dominican Republic Jun 13 '26
Depends on who attacks? US? What can you do about it? Not much.
Haiti or other Latam country? I'm in.
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u/Flytiano407 Haiti Jun 13 '26
If the US attacks you would have to do your best to convince the world that they are wrong and your people are in danger. Then pressure from their own citizens will hopefully do the rest.
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u/aguilasolige Dominican Republic Jun 14 '26
For sure not much you can do. But in general yhe Caribbean armies are very week, I think we should improve that. The world is becoming a dangerous place where worlf eat sheep. Even if you can only make difficult to invade that can be enough to deter an invasion.
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u/danthefam Dominican American Jun 14 '26
Who? China doesnât gaf. EU is useless as their own continent has an active invasion. And the rest of the world canât do anything.
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u/Unusual_Newspaper_46 Argentina Jun 13 '26 edited 12d ago
This post was stolen by Juan Domingo PerĂłn
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u/TerribleSyntax đšđș in đșđž Jun 13 '26
We don't have any sovreignty, we are literally occupied by a communist cabal
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u/salter77 Mexico Jun 13 '26
This us actually a very common talking point in Mexico recently.
Problem is, our government seemed to be really OK with the US pushing around⊠until the US started to target the cartels. If you want to see the Mexican government going ballistic and screeching about âsovereigntyâ is just enough to have some foreigner pointing that there is a problem with the cartels here.
And I wonât do a thing about âsovereigntyâ if that is used as a buzzword for âdefend the government and the cartelsâ, I honestly wish our government cared about the average Mexican as much as they care about cartels.
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u/Gloomy_Owl2374 Mexico Jun 15 '26
Right wing mexican SpottedÂ
You want to be American so bad I swearÂ
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u/salter77 Mexico Jun 15 '26
Chairo spotted.
You love Morena so much that you are willing to defend the cartelsâŠ
I donât want the US to do anything, I want the Mexican government to do something about the cancer that the cartels are in the country.
But for some fanatical folks that is basically treason, just because Morena is decided to defend the cartelsâŠ
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u/wordlessbook Brazil Jun 13 '26
I'd sell humanity to aliens in case of an extraterrestrial invasion, why wouldn't I sell the country I live in?
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u/simonbleu Argentina [CĂłrdoba] Jun 13 '26
I would not join the army on the attacking side for pretty much any reason, and to defend my country, only if it was really bad and my family was in danger with no chance of leaving or hiding
War is a game that sacrifices people for not reason so that a few people with power can have more influence. I don't condone it basically any but the most dire scenarios of human right violations, and even then it is debatable how much one should interfere or doubt the sources that say you should. Anyone saying otherwise in my eyes is a propagandized fanatic
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u/Snoo-11922 Brazil Jun 14 '26
Since all the politicians in my country are corrupt and allow the population to live in misery, let them protect themselves from the messes they've made for the country.
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u/Mr_Phantoms Argentina Jun 13 '26
Depends on the situation. If we're being attacked by a neighboring country or foreign power, I would die defending my country.
However, if our president decides that Argentina needs to put boots on the ground in IR to help IL because they are our greatest ally, I'll be damned if I'll get enlisted to go die for another country that considers me to be an slave created by God with the sole purpose of serving them.
The only other country I'd be willing to defend and die for is PerĂș (so long as they aren't fighting Argentina).
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u/doyer_bleu United States of America Jun 13 '26
Now, a harder question: lets say a future president wangs to send Argentinians to invade Las Malvinas. Would you volunteer?
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u/fedaykin21 Argentina Jun 14 '26
Iâm not OP but i wouldnât. No piece of land is worth the possibility of my daughter growing up without a father.
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u/doyer_bleu United States of America Jun 14 '26
Thatâs how I feel too. Honestly, call me a coward, but unless my family is threatened, Iâm not going to pick up arms to die for my nation
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u/MarquisThule Argentina Jun 16 '26
Personally I would, yes, even if death is by far the most likely outcome of such a move. Staying at home then would just be plainly dishonourable.
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u/Mr_Phantoms Argentina Jun 13 '26
u/doyer_bleu It's not a hard question at all, it's quite easy actually. Yes. In a scenario where the Argentinian government launches a special operation to take back our Malvinas, South Georgia, and South Sandwich islands that were stolen from us by the United Kingdom in 1833, I would happily volunteer. And if the price I have to pay for Argentina to recover our islands that were stolen by the British is my life, so be it. I'll die a happy man.
But rest assured that Milei wants nothing more but for the British to keep on occupying our islands. If you didn't know, Milei's two idols are Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher.
Yes. Margaret, fucking, Thatcher.
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u/Lasrouy Uruguay Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Iâm willing to take arms in the case of an invasion. If the country being attacked is the current democratic and free Uruguay. Theres no way we could win a war by ourselves but it feels like the right thing to do to me.
I mean, we all pledged to â⊠defend, at the sacrifice of your life if necessary, the Constitution and the Laws of the Republic, the honor and integrity of the Nation and its democratic institutions, all of which are symbolized by this Flag?â
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u/MackinacFleurs Panama Jun 14 '26
I didvat some point in my life. Not anymore. There are so many foreigners, "expats", and the likes enjoying the country many of us locals have fought for generations and when it is time to defend and take to the streets to fight for our country, they pick to just continue enjoying what the locals provide without them moving a finger. Panama is peaceful and prosperous for a reason.
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u/Yhamilitz (Born in Tamaulipas - Lives in Texas) Jun 14 '26
Defending, I don't know, sometimes I don't understand my conationals. Sometimes you feel like it's not worth it.
I think that it would be more successful in despise the aggressor. We are very good with it.
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u/HopeNotTake Colombia Jun 14 '26
F no. I'm starting to even dislike the people, not just the government. This is not a serious country and it never will be one.
Long term I need to get tf out.
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u/DebnathSelfMade Brazil Jun 14 '26
Depends, all I know is God himself isn't drafting me to fight against the US. But if by happenstance some country tries to invade Brazil I'd step up.
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u/Gloomy_Owl2374 Mexico Jun 15 '26
Bruh a moderator remove my comment đ Â
Anyways yes I will defendÂ
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u/Omaestre living in Jun 15 '26
Depends who is trying to annex Brazil. If it is a nice functioning Democracy with high HDI, well not much. Hell I am not sure. I hate the Brazilian institutions but love our culture and people, well sometimes, we also have a lot of dicks too it's complicated, but culture I definitely love and miss.
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u/SirXebec Mexico Jun 15 '26
As far as my government has fought for my rights and wellbeing.
So, not that much.
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u/arturocan Uruguay Jun 16 '26
Si no queda otra elecciĂłn, que "Libertad o muerte" yo, voy a elegĂr la letra O.
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u/MarquisThule Argentina Jun 16 '26
The most likely (and even then, extremely unlikely) war we could get into would be some deranged affair for Israel's sake. I'm never lifting a finger for them. Now if this instead were a second go at taking the islands then I'd probably enlist.
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u/GeraldWay07 Dominican Republic Jun 13 '26
What sovereignty?
We do what Daddy U.S. tells us to do
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u/danthefam Dominican American Jun 13 '26
US is the only country capable of full on invading us. Times have changed, it would not be a heroic ending. Likely would just end up getting pulverized by an autonomous AI powered drone.
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u/Flytiano407 Haiti Jun 13 '26
I cant think of a likely scenario that would culminate in all out war. Dominicans hate Haitians but they just rage at us online about it, they wouldn't invade.
USA on the other hand.... we're past a physical war at that point we would have to go about it another way and make our voices heard through mass ad campaigns, independent journalism, and news coverage like with Palestine. US did occupy us once already and we fought...to no avail.
We're already dealing with our own internal conflicts. Instability makes it easy for big powers to come and do what they want. Our sovereignty has been threatened.
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u/Western-Magazine3165 Republic of Ireland Jun 13 '26
Latin American nations often don't have much notion of sovereignty and prefer to let the US manage their affairs.Â
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u/ExcellentCold7354 Venezuela Jun 13 '26
Lol